From: nicole koschmann (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Feb 09 2006 - 12:27:31 PST
Thanks for this. I have also incorporated parenting into my own work. I
think I was feeling a little silly since it had been done in the 60's and
70's, like maybe I should be doing something new. Silly anxieties. Its nice
to hear that others continue to solve the problem in that way.
Another thought regarding over-population - contrary to what I believe was
Brakhage's intent, screening Window Water Baby Moving seems to be a good
birth control method. Whenever I show the film in my classes, I always get a
few comments from women like 'well, one thing is for sure, now I know I'll
never have a baby!"
Nicole
>From: Niklas Vollmer <email suppressed>
>Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
>To: email suppressed
>Subject: Re: kiddos
>Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:04:01 -0500
>
>ABSOLUTELY TRUE, B x -- thanks for reminding us of this historical debt and
>dimension. Marjorie Keller's MISCONCEPTION is one of the seminal works on
>parenting I repeatedly watched as I negotiated my own work surrounding
>parenting issues...
>
>Niklas
>
> >>> email suppressed 02/09/06 5:22 AM >>>
>Feminist film makers may recognise this thinking from
>the 60s/70s.....
>
>B x
>--- Niklas Vollmer <email suppressed> wrote:
>
> > I am new to this lively list and write to respond to
> > email suppressed's question about the competing
> > demands of mediamaking and parenting.
> >
> > I am trying to avoid the "distant dad" phenomenon by
> > following in the footsteps of others who have made
> > experimental "home movies" (not to say that this is
> > route for everyone, or that working at home
> > necessarily makes one more present). In an attempt
> > (out of necessity) to combine (nascent and addled)
> > family and professional life (academentia), I shot
> > and edited my last work ("Happy Crying Nursing Home"
> > ... wink to SB) at home. There were times when my
> > newborn son was screaming on the editing monitor and
> > in the next room * a stereophonic
> > wall-of-distraction that intensified, elevated, and
> > informed the experimental doc's chaotic aesthetic
> > and structure. In a sense, the work "lived",
> > breathed and began to walk in step with my son.
> >
> > This being said, the shooting allowed me to be more
> > engaged and present as a partner than the editing,
> > as it is difficult to hand-hold an edit station...
> >
> > Niklas Vollmer
> > Georgia State University
> >
> > >>> email suppressed 02/08/06 7:01 PM >>>
> > It is possible to have children without having
> > children. There are children
> > all over the world who have already been born and
> > badly need homes. Adopt.
> >
> > Sorry, I realize this has nothing to do with
> > experimental film.
> >
> > But on a related note, I would love to know how
> > those of you filmmakers who
> > do have children, manage to keep making films in
> > addition to working and
> > parenting. This is something I am continually
> > trying to work out.
> >
> > In response to the other related discussion, I do
> > think it is much harder to
> > get academic film departments to recognize the
> > importance of renting and
> > buying film prints as opposed to DVDs, than people
> > think. Many film
> > departments are barely managing to keep 16mm in the
> > curriculum at all.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Doug vanderHoof <email suppressed>
> > >Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List
> > <email suppressed>
> > >To: email suppressed
> > >Subject: Re: David Tetzlaff's rant /ranting replies
> > >Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:07:20 -0600
> > >
> > >On 2/8/06 4:32 PM, "Sam Wells" <email suppressed>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The problem is, everyone who says that is an
> > ex-child.....
> > > >(yes I agree we have population issues etc)
> > >
> > >Sam
> > > Couldn't agree with you more that we have
> > population problems.
> > >
> > > Again I don't know how it's a problem for an
> > ex-child to think we're
> > >over-populated and it would be good if people were
> > happy not to have
> > >children. I think we're missing some shared
> > assumption here, which I will
> > >be happy to have made clear.
> > > I have the feeling you mean some variation on,
> > "What if your parents
> > >had
> > >felt the way you do?" If that's it, in the
> > alternate universe where my
> > >parents didn't have me, I promise not to bug you
> > about population or
> > >breeding. That's fair, no?
> > > Meanwhile, it's reasonable for someone whose
> > parents had one attitude
> > >to
> > >have another. Right? And it's reasonable for
> > someone whose parents lived
> > >in a triply-overpopulated world to not want any
> > more children in a
> > >quintuply-overpopulated world, kay?
> > >
> > >Disclaimer, or is this a claimer:
> > > I think children are a great treasure and
> > should get all the best we
> > >have to offer. We should love them, feed them the
> > best from the table,
> > >spend a lot on their education, hope that they make
> > good citizens. Parents
> > >should take their job as serious as a heart attack
> > and be held responsible
> > >everything their children do until the children are
> > emancipated. I'm just
> > >in favor of making people happy not to have
> > children.
> > > I'm adding this because when I was working
> > with Stacy Simpson in
> > >Seattle
> > >on an ArtSpot about population reduction, we
> > eventually got to calling it
> > >the Baby Killing spot. Calumny.
> > >
> > >Cordially,
> > >Dv
> > >
> > >Doug vanderHoof
> > >Producer/Owner
> > >Modern Media
> > >Bucktown, Chicago
> > >(773)394-0029
> > >
> > >
> >
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