From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Mar 06 2006 - 09:36:58 PST
yes i believe ALL religiosity embodies sheep mentality
MLK was not perfect
when i mention his greatness to my mother
(who is racist)
she always says he had an affair
(so she gets to ignore his other great attributes - is her reasoning)
i am fr: the midwest
grew up in the mire
i live in nyc
both embody degrees of the masses that are ignorant
consumers
but the midwest to me has more depth in it and rightousness therein
especially in terms of racism and sexism and homophobia
all of which - alot of them claim - is a directive fr: the bible
this is my experience
not only with my direct family members but w/ others
does this mean every person in each region is such
of course i am not saying that but...
my father calls nyc - the armpit of the nation
(though he has never been here)
i think this list does not direct itself toward ART
but avant garde art - (or at least that's what was being posted about)
- different
c
On 3/4/06, Zev Robinson <email suppressed> wrote:
> that's not what I said cary, but it could be what the midwest says about new
> yorkers. I didn't say that there weren't very real problems of culture, and
> you don't know what I do or do not understand. assumptions, assumptions (not
> reality). I said that culture is a complex entity, and one should take a
> close look at it rather than stereotype.
>
> are you saying that Martin Luther King, Jr, being religious, was a sheep?
>
> Z
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cari Machet" <email suppressed>
> To: <email suppressed>
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: who is john q public?
>
>
> > glad ur world has no john q public (sheep)
> > sad mine does (but glad i am in reality)
> > ever been 2 the midwest?
> > ever heard of religion
> > ya know the opiate of the masses?
> > for u 2 not understand/acknowledge these really problematic 'spaces' of
> > culture
> > is perhaps naive
> >
> > c
> >
> > On 3/4/06, Zev Robinson <email suppressed> wrote:
> >> who is john q public? I've heard about him (or is he really a she?) a
> >> lot,
> >> but nobody I've met fits the description. everyone I have met, in or out
> >> of
> >> the artworld, has varying degrees of sensitivity, experience and
> >> knowledge
> >> about the arts, and the various forms art takes.
> >>
> >> "Art is not for John Q Public (whoever that is) and historically never
> >> was."
> >> is incorrect. A lot of art was specifically made with the public in mind
> >> and
> >> for public consumption, and on top of that, some specifically with
> >> powerful,
> >> unsavory patrons in mind.
> >>
> >> that AG or experimental film is more "art" than *some* of the things that
> >> have come out of hollywood is highly contentious and based on a lot of
> >> assumptions. that's not to knock the best of the former, just that I, and
> >> I
> >> think some others on the list, like other things as well, and see culture
> >> as
> >> a more complex entity.
> >>
> >> one of the positive aspects of digital technology is the possibilities of
> >> democratizing art. All sorts things become available to a lot of people
> >> who
> >> would not have access to them. I'm aware of the negative aspects too, but
> >> that's the world we live in.
> >>
> >> using an argument about the inferiority of the general public is not one
> >> I
> >> like for a lot of reasons.
> >>
> >> john q public, like the hollywood movie, is an urban (art world) myth.
> >>
> >> Zev
> >>
> >> Zev Robinson
> >> www.artafterscience.com
> >> www.zrdesign.co.uk
> >>
> >>
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