From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Feb 09 2007 - 17:40:31 PST
Ah, I see! Thanks Gene.
I pulled up the word in wikipedia and for anyone else
who is interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism
Looks interesting. I was going to say that probably
the problem with individuality in the world at the
moment is the way in which it is marketed, which I
guess links into what you are doing and your analysis
of the Hollywood machine which is of course all about
marketing. Lifestyles, products, everything.
Glancing at the wikipedia entry I'm wondering how it
relates to anarchism, but I shall have to take the
time to read it all and find out! :)
Sorry for not understanding what you meant. I'm going
to try and read up on it but I'm really tired right
now as it's very late here in England. I'm also still
not psycholgically in good condition tho I'm
definitely, a lot, lot better than I have been the
last few months. I have a few good people helping me
now too and I'm making an awful lot of progress but I
have a long way to go. So I might struggle to
concentrate and understand more than usual too.
Don't worry about not wanting to get into a discussion
about it, at least from me, as I'm definitely not up
to that right now. Not that I'm not intrested, just
not capable at the moment.
Good Luck with your work! :)
love
Freya
--- gyoungblood <email suppressed> wrote:
> Thanks for putting so much effort into this, Freya.
> Of course people can be
> very individual and still work together for change.
> In fact, there is no
> other possibility. Lockstep conformism never
> produces fundamental change.
> And also, individuality and individualism are very
> different things. My
> premise (hardly unique) is that a population so
> deeply ingrained in
> individualism as we are is bound to be as tragically
> depoliticized as we
> are. That's a truism, and I would not waste my time
> dwelling on it. It's
> just the starting point for a certain argument I
> want to make, which, as I
> said, I don't have time to go into now. Thanks again
> for your input.
> -- gene
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Freya" <email suppressed>
> To: <email suppressed>
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [FRAMEWORKS] individualism in films
>
>
> > Eraserhead is a great example I suspect! Yes! I
> love
> > Eraserhead of course but there we are.
> >
> > I think Jacks suggestion of Children of Men sounds
> > completely spot on for what you are looking for!
> I've
> > not seen the film, but it sounds like the two of
> them
> > face up against the ills of the world and try to
> > rescue the world from itself.
> >
> > I'm thinking A.I. might work with your thesis?
> >
> > If wonder if fireworks by Kenneth Anger might not
> fit
> > the bill from the world of experiemntal film.
> Kenneth
> > the lone figure gets beaten up by a bunch of
> sailors
> > who are the representatives of state control
> enforcing
> > the values of the state on him. Yet in a way
> Kenneth
> > emerges the winner from the affair, because, well
> you
> > know...
> >
> > and "At Land" by Maya Deren features Maya breaking
> up
> > the chess game by running off laughing with one of
> the
> > pieces, and doesn't she disturb a dinner party too
> as
> > I remember? Very much a story of the individual
> > fighting to be themselves against the constraints
> of
> > society.
> >
> > Far from Heaven by Todd Haynes, All that Heaven
> > Allows? Gattaca? Thelma and Louise? Alien/Aliens
> etc?
> >
> > Metropolis, but that's erm a little too old I
> think!
> >
> > I have to say that I also don't agree with the
> idea
> > behined the thesis, but then my favourite film of
> all
> > that I have discovered so far is Freaks by Todd
> > Browning. A Universal monster movie in which the
> > monsters aren't the people you would expect (as is
> > often the case in real life). I believe that
> people
> > can still be very individual and can work
> collectively
> > for change.
> >
> > ...but maybe you should watch it after you have
> > written your thesis and received great grades! I
> > certainly don't want to throw you off your work!
> :)
> >
> > Hmmm, well if Jack can have Happy Feet (I will try
> and
> > check it out sometime), then I want to go for Lilo
> and
> > Stitch. In my opinion the greatest Disney film in
> a
> > very long time. I was very happy when it came out
> in
> > fact as I was decrying the state of modern Disney
> > films.
> >
> > Snow white is pure atmosphere, Jungle book has
> great
> > songs and Lilo and stitch has one of the best
> stories
> > in Disney land ever.
> >
> > It is about a mad scientist (he prefers the term
> evil
> > genius) who creates a weapon of mass destruction
> > called "experiment 626". The galactic council find
> out
> > and he is on trial for his despicable crimes. They
> > decide to dump experiment 626 off on an
> uninhabited
> > asteroid where he can run amok as much as he likes
> and
> > destroy anything.
> >
> > The well meaning plan of the galactic council goes
> > awry however and 626 escapes. 626 lands on what
> seems
> > to be a fairly insignificant planet and everyone
> is
> > relieved until they realise it is actually an
> > important nature reserve for the endangered
> creature
> > "the mosquito", which is terribly important. 626
> leaps
> > out of the spaceship, runs out and promptly gets
> hit
> > by a truck.
> >
> > Meanwhile lilo, a little girl who is too weird to
> have
> > any friends, is living with her older sister who
> takes
> > care of her. Social services are quite concerned
> and
> > want to take lilo into care. Lilo wants a dog and
> her
> > sister takes her to the dog pound. Of course lilo
> > picks the wierdist dog there, experiment 626, who
> she
> > decides to call "stitch". Everyone tries to
> convince
> > lilo to have "a normal dog" instead of the ugly
> and
> > horrible thing, but lilo has very much made her
> mind
> > up and insists she wants Stitch.
> >
> > The rest of the film plays out with the struggle
> of
> > the characters to survive against the galactic
> > council, social services, and the "evil genius".
> >
> > The film only came into being because the creators
> > were felt to have done a great job on Mulan
> (another
> > film that might be worth looking at) and so were
> > allowed to make their weird film in a corner as
> long
> > as they didn't spend too much money, while the
> rest of
> > Disney made treasure planet which would be a great
> > success and make Disney, loads and loads of money!
> > Only of course it wasn't and it didn't.
> >
> > Treasure Planet is the only film I have ever
> walked
> > out on! I paid 20p to see it. I wish I had bought
> > chocolate instead but hindsight is easy. ;)
> >
> > love
> >
> > Freya
> >
> > --- Cari Machet <email suppressed> wrote:
> >
> >> erasurhead
> >>
> >> speaking of
> >> saw a little interview w/ him recently
> >> he said he was now only shooting in digital
> >> called film a dinasour
> >> said he would never go back to shooting in film
> >>
> >> donnie darko
> >> requiem for a dream
> >> last days
> >> demonlover
> >> gummo
> >> dogville
> >>
> >> these films are about the afterfx of social
> control
> >> - need for control of
> >> others
> >> the pit(falls) of xing out a person/people - xing
> >> out urself
> >>
> >> needless to say i geuss - that i think ur thesis
> is
> >> more than not logical
> >>
> >> c
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> >
> >
> >
>
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