From: esperanza collado (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 01:39:58 PDT
Maybe people meant "subversive" instead of "radical"?
On 10/10/2007, Ken Bawcom <email suppressed> wrote:
> When I think of "radical" film, the first two films that come to my
> mind are "Selective Service System," and "Hauling Toto Big." This is
> more or less a gut reaction, which I will decline to analyze at the
> moment.
>
> Despite its etymology, in common usage "radical" does mean an extreme
> departure from the traditional. I would say that characterizes much of
> the best experimental film, and it was this quality that first drew my
> interest to it, back in the 60s. But I would say that for an
> experimental film to qualify as radical, by that definition, a film
> would have to be non-traditional when compared to other experimental
> films. Of course, that could be inviting odd paradox...
>
> So, with its two meanings virtual opposites, "radical" is is somewhat
> like "sanction," another word with two opposite meanings.
>
> Ken B.
>
>
> Quoting jason livingston <email suppressed>:
>
> > Gene, thanks, this is provocative material. It seems to me that if
> > radicality is located in an address to/of/for essence or being, then
> > we can corral William Safire as a solid radical. After all, his
> > commitment to roots and linguistic identity is unquestionable.
> >
> > Don't lots of people trade in essence but say nothing about the status quo?
> >
> > Jason
> > Ithaca, NY
> >
> >
> >> From: gyoungblood <email suppressed>
> >> Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
> >> To: email suppressed
> >> Subject: Re: seeking recommendations
> >> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:15:38 -0600
> >>
> >> The word radical is derived from the Latin radix, or root. So a
> >> radical approach to anything is that which addresses the root cause,
> >> or source, of its identity, its being. That's why it's in the
> >> interest of power to equate radical with extreme, but they are not
> >> the same at all. A radical intervention is extreme only if it is
> >> mistaken, only if the problem is not caused by the root source of
> >> the system's identity. In the poltical arena, neocons are extreme
> >> but they aren't radical. They don't transform the hierarchical,
> >> dominator paradigm from which the identity, or being, of almost all
> >> societies is derived, they reinforce it. In the realm of culture and
> >> the arts -- film in our case -- the violence of commodity cinema is
> >> extreme, Warhol and Brakhage are radical.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: db
> >> To: email suppressed
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:20 PM
> >> Subject: [FRAMEWORKS] seeking recommendations
> >>
> >>
> >> I was chatting with a friend today and we started discussing the
> >> words "radical" and "filmmaking" within the same sentence. Got me
> >> thinking about a lot of films that would, for me, fit into such a
> >> genre (for lack of a better word).
> >>
> >>
> >> My dictionary describes genre as:
> >> a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature,
> >> characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter
> >>
> >>
> >> Such a definition seems rather anti-radical to me, so I'd like to
> >> toss out a call for recommendations of films that, to members of
> >> this list, would be considered radical.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd rather not provide examples that have crossed my mind as I'd
> >> prefer to receive suggestions based upon unmediated (unguided?)
> >> ideas of what constitutes radical filmmaking.
> >>
> >>
> >> If anyone has suggestions please send them along, on or off-list.
> >>
> >>
> >> db
> >>
> >>
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