From: Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Dec 17 2008 - 21:46:22 PST
Well, regardless of the seizures caused by flicker films, I definitely think that all those films were very important for the development of the VJ aesthetic of today. Tons of digital effects use the visuals that these filmmakers where developing in the 60's. As Lev Manovich mentions, digital technology sucked up all those visual ideas and recycles them to represents new versions of cinema reality. The other day I saw Minority Report by Spielberg...I couldn't stop thinking of Brakhage.
The VJ culture might not use it necessarily to represent a new reality but it certainly regurgitates the ideas developed by flickers, light shows, and practically the whole history of experimental film.
I don't think I can say that VJing is or isn't an art, I'm not very interested in that part because probably what I do is not art since not too many people know about it. Certainly, it doesn't matter if you just push a botton to create a visual effect or not. From my point of view, a filmmaker working with film using those ideas in the present is no more interesting than a VJ because they are doing exactly the same thing, borrowing from the past without really questioning the medium. And that is, I think, the problem with VJing. I don't really know much about the subject, but I haven't seen or heard of a VJ that really questions the medium he/she is using. I am sure that when someone comes up with interesting visuals they will surely stick out from the rest, but with the amount of programs on the market, I find it hard to believe that that will happen soon.
I think the problem with VJing and digital media (or film alone in the present) in general is that there is an interest in the technology as opposed to questioning. Experimental film, probably since the French avant-garde (and the flicker films in particular) where always about questioning and commenting the medium. It is through that questioning that the medium was pushed to new grounds, not by trying to come up with interesting visual imagery. I think nowadays, whether it's VJing or experimental film and video, most people are embracing technology and embracing the medium rather than qustioning it and commenting on its situations and conditions.
Saludos,
Jorge Lorenzo
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:12:44 -0800
> From: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: Strobe
> To: email suppressed
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> Is it only B/W flicker-type films that have been known to cause
> seizures? What about any other types of experimental films?
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> On Dec 17, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Steve Polta wrote:
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> > ARNULF RAINER can indeed trigger seizures. I've seen it happen.
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> > Steve Polta
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> > I don't know if the flicker
> >> frequencies of any of the films mentioned fall outside the
> >> range that can induce this effect, but this can occur with
> >> films as well.
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