Frameworks Archive January - April 2009: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm

i absolutely love the double-band projector idea and am now determined to hunt one down for myself, perhaps even more than one for a public installation that i am planning.

now, a couple of questions: anyone have any ideas as to where to purchase this Bauer beauty or a comparable gem or even where to begin the search? i have never seen one of these on ebay.

and... how might one get access to a mag recording machine? i have not used mag since way back when, but would love to work with it again. this is not something i would necessarily want to buy, but any suggestions for who might have a mag recorder that i could get to on the east coast of the u.s. and any considerations when doing the transfer from digital cd would be awesome. is there a studio that offers this service where one can just send a cd and get it transferred?

thank you in advance. this list is fabulous!

enjoy today...

Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez

Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer

www.solislandmediaworks.com
www.artcinematic.blogspot.com

http://cinesthesia.blip.tv

On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:43 PM, marco poloni wrote:

Hello Mat,
Thanks for the indication. This indeed solves problem one, portability. Thanks very much for your offer. I am actually trying to gather my own equipment, and I am indeed on the other side of the sea, so with time I should be able to locate and revamp one of those Bauers. Indeed this is the brand I was thinking about as an alternative to Eikis because their motors, Ihear, are more modern are easier to regulate.
Best,
Marco

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From: mat fleming <(address suppressed)>
Sent: Feb 2, 2009 4:47 PM
To: (address suppressed)
Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm

Hi Marco,

Maybe you need a 'Bauer Sonorex P6 Studio' projector they are double band and portable. you can see a picture of one herehttp://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/cinelist.html
I have access to one you'd be welcome to borrow, it has a filed gate but not full S16. It is a wonderful machine which will record and play just about any combination of mag
soundtrack. They are really heavy though so it might be better for you to try and find one closer to home.

Mat

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Nicky Hamlyn <(address suppressed)> wrote:
This is an obvious, old-tec solution:

Transfer your sound to 16mm magnetic and use a double-band projector. I realise this may not be what you want and there may be difficulties in getting hold of the mag transfer services or gear, but it will work!

Nicky Hamlyn.

On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:25, marco poloni wrote:

Dear Frameworkers,

I am embarking on a technical endeavour which consists of attempting to sync super-16mm film with sound at the projection stage. As you well know S-16mm is a camera film. It has no space for an optical track between the image frames and the sprocket holes. I contacted Martin Sawyer in London, who did a good amount of research in adding a very fine optical track. He got good results, but said it was very difficult to find labs that would process this footage. If I am not mistaken, he abandoned this.

I'd like to attempt exploring another route. The idea is first to modify an existing 16m projector by widening the gate's aperture to the "W"type gate of S-16mm. That's the not-too-difficult part. Second, I would have to find someone to crystal-sync the motor via an external "master" device that will also pilot the sound of a CD, MP3 or solid state player to ensure perfect sync.

I have done quite some research and have some very technical questions. I am writing in the hope that someone might provide feedback.

1. It seems that syncing DC motors is fairly easy, whereas syncing AC motors would be difficult and costly. A friend recommends using a Bauer P8 projector which uses a DC motor. I am a big fan of Eiki's and am not ready to swap brands. I was wondering if anyone knows whether their drive motors are AC or DC?

2. More specifically, should this be feasible with an Eiki, does anyone have a scanned service manual for an Eiki EX-300SL (or EX-2000)with the electric circuitry? (350W xenon lamp)

3. I have been looking for an Eiki EX-300SL through the usual channels (ebay, ...). It is very difficult to find... Much harder than the more common SSL's. Does anyone know of a place that could have a couple for sale?

Thanks a lot beforehand for your input!

Best,
Marco

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