From: mat fleming (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Feb 05 2009 - 01:48:13 PST
That's really good to know. To put a stripe on an edited film presumably it
need to be cement spliced?
About the Bauer machine it doesn't tear film up if you are really careful
but it's awkward to thread (both sides)
and you're being careful about getting the right spot in the gate and
oppposite the play head.
Then it's kind of clunky and violent so it's very unforgiving. I haven't
used it for ages but I think i was
getting the knack by the end.
Mat
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Nicky Hamlyn <email suppressed
> wrote:
> There is, just, an old man doing mag striping in the UK. He can put a
> stripe onto 16mm or Super 8:
> EVT Magnetics, "Havenhurst", Ticehurst, Wadhurst, TN5 7HE, Kent.
>
> tel: 00 44 1580 200528.
>
> NIcky Hamlyn.
>
> On 4 Feb 2009, at 17:18, mat fleming wrote:
>
> Perhaps you could stick a strip of your magstock to the edge of a hand made
> film (like a DIY sound stripe) and make sound that way - if you can get
> something recorded onto it. Or just record directly onto the edge of scratch
> film. lots of projectors will read a magnetic track on the film (i wonder if
> there are single band projectors that record, like super 8 projectors do?)-
> not one for S16 of course.
>
> Mat
>
> PS we got our Bauer machine from a college that doesn't use film anymore. I
> suppose they were useful in that context because they are very versatile and
> are a compact way of doing work that would otherwise take several large
> machines. Maybe you can find one on a shelf in a film coop somewhere.
> Although it's beautiful it's a brutal menace to use.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez <
> email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> actually, i have been sitting on about 1200' of mag stock since the early
>> 90's or so. i use it to scratch on and then project it as film, but of
>> course, i can't get much further than that with it unless i can apply its
>> sonic talents to my work somehow. in particular i would like to use it in
>> installation. the double-band projector is definitely the solution (and
>> the Bauer is absolutely exquisite as both a visual art object and live
>> performer), but of course i had not even visualized one of these since i
>> first saw them in film school aeons ago. and i am not certain that i have
>> EVER before seen that Bauer model. so thank you again and i will keep your
>> suggestions in mind. now that i can see it in my mind's eye, i will
>> definitely find it somewhere in the universe...
>>
>> enjoy today...
>>
>> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez <http://www.solislandmediaworks.com>
>> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>>
>> www.solislandmediaworks.com <http://web.mac.com/sol.island/iWeb/>
>> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com <http://artcinematic.blogspot.com/><http://cinesthesia.blip.tv>
>> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:54 AM, marco poloni wrote:
>>
>> i am glad you are enjoying this thread. the double-band idea is great and
>> as you read seems to work for sure. i am thinking about its
>> cost/feasibility, since this involves magnetic tape, finding people to
>> process it, the costs of it in a progressively digital world, etc...
>>
>> as to the bauers it's like high-end eiki's. it's about curiosity, patience
>> and big wave surfing.. don't hesitate to look on websites in japan, germany,
>> since ebay comes short here.
>>
>> if you find a double-band, ask if they have a second, and/or a bauer P8,
>> P8 selecton, P8 T400, i'd buy it right away!
>>
>> best,
>> marco
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
>> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 7:15 PM
>> To: email suppressed
>> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>>
>> this thread has been amazing. thank you mat for that fantastic list and
>> thank you marco for posting the question. i absolutely love the
>> double-band projector idea and am now determined to hunt one down for
>> myself, perhaps even more than one for a public installation that i am
>> planning.
>>
>> now, a couple of questions: anyone have any ideas as to where to purchase
>> this Bauer beauty or a comparable gem or even where to begin the search? i
>> have never seen one of these on ebay.
>>
>> and... how might one get access to a mag recording machine? i have not
>> used mag since way back when, but would love to work with it again. this is
>> not something i would necessarily want to buy, but any suggestions for who
>> might have a mag recorder that i could get to on the east coast of the u.s.
>> and any considerations when doing the transfer from digital cd would be
>> awesome. is there a studio that offers this service where one can just send
>> a cd and get it transferred?
>>
>> thank you in advance. this list is fabulous!
>>
>> d
>>
>> enjoy today...
>>
>> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez <http://www.solislandmediaworks.com>
>> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>>
>> www.solislandmediaworks.com <http://web.mac.com/sol.island/iWeb/>
>> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com <http://artcinematic.blogspot.com/><http://cinesthesia.blip.tv>
>> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:43 PM, marco poloni wrote:
>>
>> Hello Mat,
>> Thanks for the indication. This indeed solves problem one, portability.
>> Thanks very much for your offer. I am actually trying to gather my own
>> equipment, and I am indeed on the other side of the sea, so with time I
>> should be able to locate and revamp one of those Bauers. Indeed this is the
>> brand I was thinking about as an alternative to Eikis because their motors,
>> Ihear, are more modern are easier to regulate.
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mat fleming
>> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 4:47 PM
>> To: email suppressed
>> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>>
>> Hi Marco,
>>
>> Maybe you need a 'Bauer Sonorex P6 Studio' projector they are double band
>> and portable. you can see a picture of one here
>> http://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/cinelist.html
>> I have access to one you'd be welcome to borrow, it has a filed gate but
>> not full S16. It is a wonderful machine which will record and play just
>> about any combination of mag
>> soundtrack. They are really heavy though so it might be better for you to
>> try and find one closer to home.
>>
>> Mat
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Nicky Hamlyn <
>> email suppressed> wrote:
>>
>>> This is an obvious, old-tec solution:
>>>
>>> Transfer your sound to 16mm magnetic and use a double-band projector. I
>>> realise this may not be what you want and there may be difficulties in
>>> getting hold of the mag transfer services or gear, but it will work!
>>>
>>> Nicky Hamlyn.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:25, marco poloni wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Frameworkers,
>>>>
>>>> I am embarking on a technical endeavour which consists of attempting to
>>>> sync super-16mm film with sound at the projection stage. As you well know
>>>> S-16mm is a camera film. It has no space for an optical track between the
>>>> image frames and the sprocket holes. I contacted Martin Sawyer in London,
>>>> who did a good amount of research in adding a very fine optical track. He
>>>> got good results, but said it was very difficult to find labs that would
>>>> process this footage. If I am not mistaken, he abandoned this.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to attempt exploring another route. The idea is first to modify
>>>> an existing 16m projector by widening the gate's aperture to the "W"type
>>>> gate of S-16mm. That's the not-too-difficult part. Second, I would have to
>>>> find someone to crystal-sync the motor via an external "master" device that
>>>> will also pilot the sound of a CD, MP3 or solid state player to ensure
>>>> perfect sync.
>>>>
>>>> I have done quite some research and have some very technical questions.
>>>> I am writing in the hope that someone might provide feedback.
>>>>
>>>> 1. It seems that syncing DC motors is fairly easy, whereas syncing AC
>>>> motors would be difficult and costly. A friend recommends using a Bauer P8
>>>> projector which uses a DC motor. I am a big fan of Eiki's and am not ready
>>>> to swap brands. I was wondering if anyone knows whether their drive motors
>>>> are AC or DC?
>>>>
>>>> 2. More specifically, should this be feasible with an Eiki, does anyone
>>>> have a scanned service manual for an Eiki EX-300SL (or EX-2000)with the
>>>> electric circuitry? (350W xenon lamp)
>>>>
>>>> 3. I have been looking for an Eiki EX-300SL through the usual channels
>>>> (ebay, ...). It is very difficult to find... Much harder than the more
>>>> common SSL's. Does anyone know of a place that could have a couple for sale?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot beforehand for your input!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Marco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>> Marco Poloni, Korsörer Strasse 1, D-10437 Berlin
>>>> gsm +41.78.6322028, skype marcopoloni
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>> gsm +41.78.6322028, skype marcopoloni
>>
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>>
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