From: Nicky Hamlyn (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Feb 06 2009 - 03:14:10 PST
It's not essential to have cement splices, as opposed to tape,
although they're better, but you should try to have only a very few
splices of whatever type,
Nicky.
On 5 Feb 2009, at 09:48, mat fleming wrote:
> That's really good to know. To put a stripe on an edited film
> presumably it need to be cement spliced?
>
> About the Bauer machine it doesn't tear film up if you are really
> careful but it's awkward to thread (both sides)
> and you're being careful about getting the right spot in the gate
> and oppposite the play head.
> Then it's kind of clunky and violent so it's very unforgiving. I
> haven't used it for ages but I think i was
> getting the knack by the end.
>
> Mat
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Nicky Hamlyn
> <email suppressed> wrote:
> There is, just, an old man doing mag striping in the UK. He can put
> a stripe onto 16mm or Super 8:
>
> EVT Magnetics, "Havenhurst", Ticehurst, Wadhurst, TN5 7HE, Kent.
>
> tel: 00 44 1580 200528.
>
> NIcky Hamlyn.
>
> On 4 Feb 2009, at 17:18, mat fleming wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you could stick a strip of your magstock to the edge of a
>> hand made film (like a DIY sound stripe) and make sound that way -
>> if you can get something recorded onto it. Or just record directly
>> onto the edge of scratch film. lots of projectors will read a
>> magnetic track on the film (i wonder if there are single band
>> projectors that record, like super 8 projectors do?)- not one for
>> S16 of course.
>>
>> Mat
>>
>> PS we got our Bauer machine from a college that doesn't use film
>> anymore. I suppose they were useful in that context because they
>> are very versatile and are a compact way of doing work that would
>> otherwise take several large machines. Maybe you can find one on a
>> shelf in a film coop somewhere.
>> Although it's beautiful it's a brutal menace to use.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
>> <email suppressed> wrote:
>> actually, i have been sitting on about 1200' of mag stock since
>> the early 90's or so. i use it to scratch on and then project it
>> as film, but of course, i can't get much further than that with it
>> unless i can apply its sonic talents to my work somehow. in
>> particular i would like to use it in installation. the double-
>> band projector is definitely the solution (and the Bauer is
>> absolutely exquisite as both a visual art object and live
>> performer), but of course i had not even visualized one of these
>> since i first saw them in film school aeons ago. and i am not
>> certain that i have EVER before seen that Bauer model. so thank
>> you again and i will keep your suggestions in mind. now that i
>> can see it in my mind's eye, i will definitely find it somewhere
>> in the universe...
>>
>>
>> enjoy today...
>>
>> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
>> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>>
>> www.solislandmediaworks.com
>> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
>> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:54 AM, marco poloni wrote:
>>
>>> i am glad you are enjoying this thread. the double-band idea is
>>> great and as you read seems to work for sure. i am thinking about
>>> its cost/feasibility, since this involves magnetic tape, finding
>>> people to process it, the costs of it in a progressively digital
>>> world, etc...
>>>
>>> as to the bauers it's like high-end eiki's. it's about curiosity,
>>> patience and big wave surfing.. don't hesitate to look on
>>> websites in japan, germany, since ebay comes short here.
>>>
>>> if you find a double-band, ask if they have a second, and/or a
>>> bauer P8, P8 selecton, P8 T400, i'd buy it right away!
>>>
>>> best,
>>> marco
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
>>> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 7:15 PM
>>> To: email suppressed
>>> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>>>
>>> this thread has been amazing. thank you mat for that fantastic
>>> list and thank you marco for posting the question.
>>> i absolutely love the double-band projector idea and am now
>>> determined to hunt one down for myself, perhaps even more than
>>> one for a public installation that i am planning.
>>>
>>> now, a couple of questions: anyone have any ideas as to where to
>>> purchase this Bauer beauty or a comparable gem or even where to
>>> begin the search? i have never seen one of these on ebay.
>>>
>>> and... how might one get access to a mag recording machine? i
>>> have not used mag since way back when, but would love to work
>>> with it again. this is not something i would necessarily want to
>>> buy, but any suggestions for who might have a mag recorder that i
>>> could get to on the east coast of the u.s. and any considerations
>>> when doing the transfer from digital cd would be awesome. is
>>> there a studio that offers this service where one can just send a
>>> cd and get it transferred?
>>>
>>> thank you in advance. this list is fabulous!
>>>
>>> d
>>>
>>> enjoy today...
>>>
>>> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
>>> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>>>
>>> www.solislandmediaworks.com
>>> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
>>> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:43 PM, marco poloni wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Mat,
>>>> Thanks for the indication. This indeed solves problem one,
>>>> portability. Thanks very much for your offer. I am actually
>>>> trying to gather my own equipment, and I am indeed on the other
>>>> side of the sea, so with time I should be able to locate and
>>>> revamp one of those Bauers. Indeed this is the brand I was
>>>> thinking about as an alternative to Eikis because their motors,
>>>> Ihear, are more modern are easier to regulate.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Marco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mat fleming
>>>> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 4:47 PM
>>>> To: email suppressed
>>>> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marco,
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you need a 'Bauer Sonorex P6 Studio' projector they are
>>>> double band and portable. you can see a picture of one
>>>> herehttp://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/cinelist.html
>>>> I have access to one you'd be welcome to borrow, it has a filed
>>>> gate but not full S16. It is a wonderful machine which will
>>>> record and play just about any combination of mag
>>>> soundtrack. They are really heavy though so it might be better
>>>> for you to try and find one closer to home.
>>>>
>>>> Mat
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Nicky Hamlyn
>>>> <email suppressed> wrote:
>>>> This is an obvious, old-tec solution:
>>>>
>>>> Transfer your sound to 16mm magnetic and use a double-band
>>>> projector. I realise this may not be what you want and there may
>>>> be difficulties in getting hold of the mag transfer services or
>>>> gear, but it will work!
>>>>
>>>> Nicky Hamlyn.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:25, marco poloni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Frameworkers,
>>>>
>>>> I am embarking on a technical endeavour which consists of
>>>> attempting to sync super-16mm film with sound at the projection
>>>> stage. As you well know S-16mm is a camera film. It has no space
>>>> for an optical track between the image frames and the sprocket
>>>> holes. I contacted Martin Sawyer in London, who did a good
>>>> amount of research in adding a very fine optical track. He got
>>>> good results, but said it was very difficult to find labs that
>>>> would process this footage. If I am not mistaken, he abandoned
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to attempt exploring another route. The idea is first
>>>> to modify an existing 16m projector by widening the gate's
>>>> aperture to the "W"type gate of S-16mm. That's the not-too-
>>>> difficult part. Second, I would have to find someone to crystal-
>>>> sync the motor via an external "master" device that will also
>>>> pilot the sound of a CD, MP3 or solid state player to ensure
>>>> perfect sync.
>>>>
>>>> I have done quite some research and have some very technical
>>>> questions. I am writing in the hope that someone might provide
>>>> feedback.
>>>>
>>>> 1. It seems that syncing DC motors is fairly easy, whereas
>>>> syncing AC motors would be difficult and costly. A friend
>>>> recommends using a Bauer P8 projector which uses a DC motor. I
>>>> am a big fan of Eiki's and am not ready to swap brands. I was
>>>> wondering if anyone knows whether their drive motors are AC or DC?
>>>>
>>>> 2. More specifically, should this be feasible with an Eiki, does
>>>> anyone have a scanned service manual for an Eiki EX-300SL (or
>>>> EX-2000)with the electric circuitry? (350W xenon lamp)
>>>>
>>>> 3. I have been looking for an Eiki EX-300SL through the usual
>>>> channels (ebay, ...). It is very difficult to find... Much
>>>> harder than the more common SSL's. Does anyone know of a place
>>>> that could have a couple for sale?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot beforehand for your input!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Marco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>>> Marco Poloni, Korsörer Strasse 1, D-10437 Berlin
>>>> gsm +41.78.6322028, skype marcopoloni
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> gsm +41.78.6322028, skype marcopoloni
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