From: jaime cleeland (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Mar 24 2009 - 05:38:12 PDT
http://www.archive.org/details/Monster_799
I made this video film in the city of Shijiazhuang, China. As China develops will it address environmental issues and heed the advice of the West ? Will it create safer working conditions for its builders?
The experimental music is made from samples of the artist,
Aparna Panshikar.
http://www.aparnapanshikar.com/
--- On Tue, 24/3/09, Cari Machet <email suppressed> wrote:
From: Cari Machet <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: Gabriel by Agnes Martin
To: email suppressed
Date: Tuesday, 24 March, 2009, 5:35 AM
awwwwwe - poor fred
Fred Camper
Chicago wrote:
- Our dying planet... -
i don't believe in death
AND
wow super negative glass half empty stuff
AND
who cares if our whole solar system 'dies' it doesn't mean life ends
it's all a little bigger than 'us'
- ...imagery added nothing to cinema, or art. -
please define 'nothing'
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your right fred i was sort of personalizing my reaction to your reaction
i should have wrote what i was thinking about which is that if it had the name of brakhage tagged to the film you would have been [sexual reference] oh lets just say happy - don't get me wrong i love brakhage - but i question whether there is a bias - maybe a bias against 'artists' that dare to pick up a cam - maybe
thanks
cari machet
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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Fred Camper <email suppressed> wrote:
Cari Machet wrote:
negativity fred
she built a house in it's entirety
plumbing/electrical...
she said all 'artists' should do it
maybe she should have filmed that -
but then fred would be bored with the pipe fittings -
dear fred have you ever heard of duchamp?
Oh, no, of course I never heard of Duchamp. Thanks so much for your illuminating reference to him.
What just happened here? I posted my opinion of a hard-to-see film, and "cari" responded with what? An argument about cinema? A defense of the film? No, a personal attack on me. I guess we're all supposed to love all "alternative" cinema here?
Thank you, Cari, for reminding me of why I haven't read FlameJerks in some weeks.
A film of pipe fittings could be great, or awful, depending on the skill and care and inspiration and originality that goes into making it. But there isn't much point arguing skill and care to someone who puts so little of it into the writing of her posts.
Our dying planet does not possess infinite resources. Film viewers do not have infinite time. Every really bad film hurts the "cause." People who make and show art have a responsibility to TRY to make something worthwhile. Agnes Martin certainly earned the right to some mistakes with her sublimely great paintings. But I am sick of the attitude of many that everything is valid, that the epoch-making life work of the painter of the incredibly great "Tu m'" can be used as an excuse for junk, that we all have equal rights to fill the screen with whatever inarticulate misuses of the film and video media we care to make and show (of course I support the legal right to show anything-- I'm arguing something else here, the right to judge based on quality, and then let others make couter-aruments), that we all should happily show poorly made films that the filmmaker hasn't even worked on very hard. I'm not talking about "Gabriel" now, but about films that long ago
drove many of us away from going to too many screenings, films that not even the curators that showed them would, when asked, care to defend.
In a great film, every shot is meaningful, and every part connects in surprising and complex ways to the whole. A bad film rambles on and on incoherently, wasting everyone's time, showing little respect for the viewer. And there are also films that elude "great" or "bad" or even "pretty good" categorizations, but are original and provocative and worth seeing.
Maybe I'm wrong about "Gabriel." I posted partly to see if it has any defenders. But the film I remember is a really bad travelogue, almost painfully stupid, whose trite imagery added nothing to cinema, or art.
Fred Camper
Chicago
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