From: Rob Gawthrop (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Apr 28 2009 - 01:55:21 PDT
Myronıs response is very helpful, particularly regarding ³non-referential
(abstract) as possible ("absolute cinema")². The deeper issues perhaps
being around semblance and mimesis as regards aural/visual relations. A
visual equivalent of the acousmatic may be worth considering - the
separation of a (moving) image from its source . This opens a liminal
territoryı between process and experience where the terms representation
and abstraction can no longer be neatly applied. The example given of
flare-outs being a case in point...and what would a sound do to the reading
of this?.
There is a distinction between (Russian) Suprematism and Constructivism. The
former having a spiritual dimension - bringing notions of interpretation and
the imaginary to play - and the latter materiality. Fischingerıs films
range the full gamut from early abstractions through early pop-promo
equivalents right through to Disney. Which ones to say wow to Iım not sure!
As for Hollywood ...this is alienation not abstraction...
Best Wishes
Rob
On 28/4/09 02:22, "Joost Rekveld" <email suppressed> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> three remarks:
>
> - the more I think about it, the more I have to conclude that typical
> hollywood movies are the most abstract movies I know: they don't seem te refer
> to anything real at all..
>
> - the word 'abstract' comes from 'abstrahere', something like 'pulling off',
> so it seems to refer to distilling some kind of essence of what is supposed to
> be reality. I am not sure that describes how most 'abstract filmmakers' see
> themselves.
>
> - if you show a Fischinger film and you say 'hey, that's an abstract film' or
> 'wow, that's a visual music film', then suddenly both terms are very clear and
> unproblematic; the only problem is to explain what 'visual music' or 'abstract
> film' is to somebody who does not already know what you are talking about...
>
> whatever.
> my 2c
>
> Joost.
>
>
> On 28 Apr, 2009, at 12:42 AM, Rob Gawthrop wrote:
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>> Whatıs wrong with abstract?
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