From: Myron Ort (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Jun 07 2009 - 10:38:16 PDT
Jeffrey,
Again thanks for the further info.
btw. I am planning to shoot some B&W in the near future. Since I
have long ago used up my stash of old "army surplus" film stock, I
may have to buy new... (ouch!)
What do you think of Kodak Plus X Neg. stock today? Any
recommendations for processing, I may end up just having it
processed at Alpha Cine and have them print it.
I do own some processing tanks as well as the old Morse hand-crank
daylight tank.
Myron
On Jun 7, 2009, at 10:22 AM, JEFFREY PAULL wrote:
> Myron and Dinorah -
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> What I wrote comes out of my own experiences in film and still
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> and in teaching it. At my first teaching job, and as part of an
> intermedia group,
> I learned how to make B&W slides from B&W negs using Eastman's 5362
> (35mm version of 7362).
> The tonality is georgeous.
> When I got a job here in Canada, in 1972, the very first thing I
> put in a requisition for, was an optical printer,
> and I taught a course called "Frame-by-Frame", got the nearby
> men's staff washroom (as they call it here) into a
> darkroom, and my students shot and developed their own footage,
> made loops, motifs, gestural sweeps, patterns.
> They coloured it if they wanted.
> That's how I learned how all this works. It took time and testing,
> of course, to understand the interrelationships.
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> OK: Just in case . . . . . . a couple of hints - or are they
> "tips"? - Maybe they're even "secrets".
> Observations:
> Penultimate:
> If you develop B&W film: Any B&W developer will work, but keep this
> in mind:
> - Developers used for enlarging paper can also be used to
> develop cine film. It gives you high contrast results and strong D-
> Max (opaque blacks).
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> - Kodak makes (made?) several Hi-con developers: D-8, D-11,
> D-19. They all work.
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> - The highest contrast developers are so-called graphic arts
> "Litho" developers. They come in separate parts "A" and "B".
> These developers are so active, you mix A and B parts just before
> use, and the mixture dies after only several hours.
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> - All developers used to develop CAMERA NEGATIVE stocks
> (still or cine) are low contrast developers and give weak D-Max.
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> Finally: The word "bleach", photographically, names 3 different
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> 1} Bleach that removes or lightens a B&W image, while leaving
> the gelatine intact.
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> 2 } So-called "rehaloginating bleach" which is the chemical
> used when you develop any reversal films.
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> 1} Clothes bleach (active ingredient chlorine) Removes image by
> destroying the gelatine coating the image is imbedded in.
> Gelatine is a protein; so chlorine will do the same to a
> soaking hand, or air passages if breathing concentration is more
> than laundry day.
> So never mix chlorine bleach with anything because some household
> stuff makes Clorox fizz which is pure chlorine.
> If you get Clorox on your skin, it'll feel slippery. Wash you hand
> (s) til they don't feel slippery and pour a little vinigar in
> your hands to neutralize the last molocules of chlorine. By this
> time, the Clorox has been diluted enough so it won't fizz with
> vinigar.
> Then you can squeeze the lettuce and eat the salad. (joke)
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> Dinorah and Myron -
> I'm glad to know that at least part of my emails is (still!) useful.
> Again, I'm a FRAMEWORKS fan, and I'm comitted to helping filmmakers.
> So any time in future you think I might be able to help . . . . . . .
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> Jeffrey Paull
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> PS: I guess I assumed I was the only old fart in FRAMEWORKS
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> On Sun 07/06/09 10:23 , Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
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>> hi JP and Myron,
>> i too have been hand-painting and scratching on film for over 30
>> years, but your comments on the removal of the emulsion and
>> subsequent entries on photo fixer revealed some new information
>> for me
>> and i'm sure for many other readers. And it concisely summed up in a
>> couple of pages what it has taken me many years to figure out by
>> trial
>> and error in my studio. Thank you for all of this great info. JP,
>> i am printing out your post as a convenient handout to give to my
>> students. thank you, and thanks to Raha for bringing up the subject.
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>> enjoy today...
>> Dinorah de Jes ús Rodríguez Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>> www.solislandmediaworks.com [1] [2]www.artcinematic.blogspot.com [3]
>> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv [4]
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>> [2] http://artcinematic.blogspot.com/
>> [3] http://artcinematic.blogspot.com/
>> [4] http://cinesthesia.blip.tv/
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