From: Marc Couroux (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Jun 30 2009 - 20:36:32 PDT
By the way, is Recycled Images still available? If so from where?
Enjoying this discussion.
Cheers
Marc
On 30-Jun-09, at 5:46 PM, William Wees, Dr. wrote:
> Scott--
>
> For an extensive program of screenings at Anthology Film Archives in
> 1993 and an accompanying small book, I came up with "recycled images,"
> which I don't think I had seen before. But who knows about such
> things? I'm not sure who turned that into "recycled cinema"--you,
> maybe? The problem with "recycled images"--as it occurred to me
> later--is that it leaves out "recycled sound." The problem with
> "recycled cinema" is that it leaves out non-cinematic sources like
> music videos and all the other stuff that appears on commercial TV.
>
> --Bill
>
> William C. Wees,
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> Emeritus Professor (McGill University)
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> From: Experimental Film Discussion List [email suppressed]
> On Behalf Of Scott MacDonald [email suppressed]
> Sent: June 30, 2009 2:40 PM
> To: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: collage film history
>
> I don't know about the originator of "collage film" or "found footage
> film," but, Bill, I've always thought that you invented "recycled
> cinema." Is that the case?
>
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:58 AM, William Wees, Dr.
> <email suppressed>> wrote:
> Hey, Jeanne, I didn't send the original query. If something from "Dr.
> Wees" appeared in this thread, I missed it (and it was probably sent
> by "Tony Conrad" in any case).
>
> P. Adams Sitney, writing about Bruce Conner in Visionary Film) offers
> what I think is a good way to think about collage/montage: "The
> natural irony of the collage film, which calls attention to the fact
> that each element quoted in the new synthesis was once part of another
> whole, thereby underlining its presence as a piece of film, creates a
> distance between the image depicted and our experience of it. Montage
> is the mediator of collage."
>
>
> The original query, if I remember correctly, concerned when the term
> "collage film" was first used and by whom. I don't know, but certainly
> it was in use in the 1960s when I first saw the collage films of
> Conner, Stan Vanderbeek, Arthur Lipsett and others. By the late 1980s,
> of course, "collage films" had been pretty well subsumed under the
> broader category of "found-footage films." I have no idea when that
> term was first used or by whom. Any guesses?
>
> --Bill
>
> William C. Wees,
>
> Emeritus Professor (McGill University)
>
> Postal address:
>
> Department of Art History and Communication Studies
>
> McGill University
>
> 853 Sherbrooke St. West--Arts W225
>
> Montreal, QC H3A 2T6
>
> Phone: 514 398-4935 Fax: 514 398-7247
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Experimental Film Discussion List
> [mailto:email suppressed<mailto:
> email suppressed>] On Behalf Of Jeanne LIOTTA
> Sent: June 30, 2009 11:00 AM
> To: email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: collage film history
>
> I love this thread!
>
> Agreed Esperanza, 'breed'. But re: the original query <Dr. Wees , on
> historical differences between cinematic montage and cinematic
> collage> it seems the ways in which the terms are different might be a
> richer vein to mine than the ways in which they are similar.
>
> for ex: the excellent term 'montage' gets you higher, due to it's
> etymology already embedded with labor and furthering the revolutionary
> cause of artist-as-worker, re our good friend Eisenstein as
> beautifully cited by Esperanza.
>
> Not that any of this fits the "solid academic reference" called for.
>
> I for one am somewhat nervous about 'firsts' since I was properly
> admonished by Tom Gunning once after giving a talk on J.Cornell where
> I referred to Rose Hobart as the first intentional cinematic collage,
> and he gently suggested I amend that to, "perhaps among the first".
> Duly noted.
>
> Am reminded of this by Bruce C's post in discussing the Hungarian
> artist heretofore unknown to me, it never ends...
>
> I dont understand the part about how time is linear in film.
> ?
> I really thought it was just the opposite--space is linear, time isn't.
>
> your comrade and idiosyncratic scholar
> jeanne
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