From: k. a.r. (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Sep 14 2009 - 13:56:13 PDT
Ben, I wholeheartedly agree. I am interested in reading the discussions that have many different
points of view, but this was a very unnecessary extremely offensive comment.
What Cari wrote is so stupid it made me physically cringe.
I also agree with Ben that I am sick of the posts coming from Cari.
With a lot of forums there is a way to block people's posts that you don't want to read, could we please
have that option for frameworks?????
Kristie Reinders, B.F.A.
Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions
Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project
The Mission, San Francisco, CA
'A first class technician should work best under pressure.'
- - - Issac Asimov
> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:10:50 +0000
> From: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: [FRAMEWORKS] Looking for prints to screen / From JONAS
> To: email suppressed
>
> > the problem arises when (mostly white guys) get off on children
>
> What a sweeping, racist assumption. Exactly what this has to do with ANYTHING, let alone Stan's film, is beyond me.
> Sorry to be so "off topic" - but I'm sick of 'Cari' clogging-up my inbox with this drivel.
>
> Ben Barton
> Roundeye Films
>
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cari Machet" <email suppressed>
> > To: email suppressed
> > Subject: Re: Looking for prints to screen / From JONAS
> > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:10:29 -0400
> >
> >
> > oh my alla
> > who defined sexuality as lack of innocence?
> > childhood erections are sexual
> > little girls have orgasms
> > these are facts
> > NATURAL
> > the problem arises when (mostly white guys) get off on children
> > period
> > children are sexual beings
> > so are dogs and birds and...
> > denial of this is stupid
> > (perhaps this is part of the conversation stan was having in the film)
> > i would say there is a huge psych problem if a child is not sexual
> >
> > as far as jonas's denial - i don't buy it
> > i have direct experience with him being - dare i say prudish - about
> > someones 'sexual' film
> > but whatever who cares really
> > he supported it or he didn't
> > he voted it into essential cinema or he didn't
> > why does that matter so much?
> > what is important is stan - i am sure he pulled it for a reason
> > well beyond jonas's reaction - if any
> > why is jonas a factor even in something about stan?
> > this is hierarchical (and perhaps patriarchal) in a weird direction
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > cari machet
> > nyc 347-298-9818
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jim Carlile <email suppressed> wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 9/12/2009 10:30:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > email suppressed writes:
> > >
> > > Have you actually seen the Brakhage films under consideration here?
> > > These films do not show child sex, but they also do not just show
> > > totally "innocent" nudity of the beach-snapshot variety. In "Song 9,"
> > > for example, there is a little boy with an erection. When I showed
> > > this film in a small town in Connecticut in 1967, it elicited a very
> > > angry response from an, um, older matron.
> > >
> > > Childhood erections are not sexual. They're innocent. And in the past,
> > > general child nudity was never considered to be sexual unless it was overt.
> > > Nowadays it is. If anyone is considering Brakhage's film to be child porn,
> > > then this is a fairly recent development (I'm not sure anyone is, but don't
> > > get them started...)
> > >
> > > It's because of this that I doubt Mekas or others condemned the film at the
> > > time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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