From: Jason Halprin (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Oct 22 2009 - 10:27:59 PDT
Bernd,
I've used a K-3 for some years, and for the most part it has been a solid, but inferior camera for me. Many times I have had to make small adjustments to the pressure plate, and always I end up checking on the screws that hold various pieces together to make sure they are tight. That said, it has also been rugged and I've been able to make these adjustments in the field.
Your particular problem seems to be related to the registration pin resetting to the wrong position. When there is a wind on the camera, the pin should rest near the bottom of the slot from which it protrudes (approx 1mm above the bottom). This is what would need to be adjusted if you are having problems with frame lines not resting in-line with the perforations. From your description it seems that the pin is resting in a position about 4-6mm from the bottom of the slot.
Unless you are very mechanically inclined I would not suggest trying to fix this yourself, as you would need to take apart a good portion of the front of the camera, including the rotating mirror to make an adjustment. You would risk creating a number of other problems. However, it is a very simple camera, and most technicians who work on cameras should be able to figure it out, even without schematics.
Your second question regarding whether this frameline issue can be fixed when a positive print is made is easier to answer. You would need to make an optical print. Standard printing is done on contact printers, which line up the perforations of the negative and positive, so your framelines would remain out-of-sync with the perforations, the same as they are on the negative. If you are finishing digitally however, this adjust could be made in the telecine.
-Jason Halprin
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:30:08 +0200
From: Bernd Luetzeler <email suppressed>
Subject: Frame line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera
Dear Frameworkers,
I am working on a remote camera release for the K-3 camera and came
across a strange phenomena:
The camera seems to expose each frame in a manner that the frame line
ends up half way between two perforation holes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_mm_film#Format_standards
says "Double-perforation 16 mm film has perforations down both sides
at every frame line. Single-perf only has perforations on one side of
the film."
Wherever I search I only find this kind of information.
Now, the question is: Will I run into problems when I give it to the
lab?
As far as I know projectors and telecine machines can adjust the frame
line, but what about positive prints?
Will it be possible to adjust the frame line in the lab and get a
proper screening print?
Thanks
Bernd
__________________________________________________________________
For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:04:40 +0000
From: Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: Frame line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera
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gorsk cameras. I was just offered to buy one but it seemed too "plastic". =
It didn't seem to be very sturdy=2C but you never know. Anybody with expe=
rience with them?
Thanks=2C
Jorge L.
> Date: Thu=2C 22 Oct 2009 08:30:08 +0200
> From: email suppressed
> Subject: Frame line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera
> To: email suppressed
>=20
> Dear Frameworkers=2C
>=20
> I am working on a remote camera release for the K-3 camera and came =20
> across a strange phenomena:
> The camera seems to expose each frame in a manner that the frame line =20
> ends up half way between two perforation holes.
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> Wherever I search I only find this kind of information.
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> As far as I know projectors and telecine machines can adjust the frame =20
> line=2C but what about positive prints?
> Will it be possible to adjust the frame line in the lab and get a =20
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> Thanks
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> Bernd
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> __________________________________________________________________
> For info on FrameWorks=2C contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dinorah_de_Jes=FAs_Rodriguez?=
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Subject: Re: Frame line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera
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i had a K-3 and it became defective by the time i shot my third roll =20
with it (had this same frame-line problem you describe). yes, it =20
created some cool unpredictable experimental effects, but it was =20
totally unreliable for any other use. everyone i know who has ever =20
owned one has had some complaint or another. i really don't =20
recommend this camera to anyone, unless you are using it as a "toy" =20
purely for effects. there is a reason why they sell for so little =20
money!
enjoy today...
Dinorah de Jes=FAs Rodr=EDguez
Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
www.solislandmediaworks.com
www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza wrote:
> Sorry Bernd, I cannot answer anything about the frameline. I hope =20
> there's someone else who can help you with that. I am wondering =20
> about the Krasnogorsk cameras. I was just offered to buy one but =20
> it seemed too "plastic". It didn't seem to be very sturdy, but you =20=
> never know. Anybody with experience with them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge L.
>
> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:30:08 +0200
> > From: email suppressed
> > Subject: Frame line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera
> > To: email suppressed
> >
> > Dear Frameworkers,
> >
> > I am working on a remote camera release for the K-3 camera and came
> > across a strange phenomena:
> > The camera seems to expose each frame in a manner that the frame =20
> line
> > ends up half way between two perforation holes.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_mm_film#Format_standards
> > says "Double-perforation 16 mm film has perforations down both sides
> > at every frame line. Single-perf only has perforations on one =20
> side of
> > the film."
> > Wherever I search I only find this kind of information.
> > Now, the question is: Will I run into problems when I give it to the
> > lab?
> > As far as I know projectors and telecine machines can adjust the =20
> frame
> > line, but what about positive prints?
> > Will it be possible to adjust the frame line in the lab and get a
> > proper screening print?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bernd
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________
> > For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
>
> Est=E1s a un clic para ganar premios con Windows Live
> __________________________________________________________________ =20
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">Sorry Bernd, I cannot =
answer anything about the frameline. I hope there's someone else =
who can help you with that. I am wondering about the Krasnogorsk =
cameras. I was just offered to buy one but it seemed too =
"plastic". It didn't seem to be very sturdy, but you never =
know. Anybody with experience with =
them?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Jorge L.<br><br>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 =
08:30:08 +0200<br>> From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:email suppressed</a><br>> Subject: Frame =
line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera<br>> To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:email suppressed</a=
><br>><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =
Dear Frameworkers,<br>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I am working on a =
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that the frame line<span =
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href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_mm_film#Format_standards">http://e=
n.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_mm_film#Format_standards</a><br>> says =
"Double-perforation 16 mm film has perforations down both sides<span =
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line. Single-perf only has perforations on one side of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> the film."<br>> =
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far as I know projectors and telecine machines can adjust the frame<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> line, but what =
about positive prints?<br>> Will it be possible to adjust the frame =
line in the lab and get a<span =
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print?<br>><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:03:57 -0400
From: Ted King <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: Frame line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera
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I agree the K-3 is not a perfectly reliable camera, and I have seen mixed
results...one that worked well and created good images and another that
arrived from Russia with broken parts.
I would and did purchase a Bolex which is a lot more expensive but for the
quality of the lenses and the construction it is worth it.
As for fixing the K-3's frameline problem I would recommend calling Du-All
in NYC, they have a page on their website:
http://www.duallcamera.com/services/index.shtml which offers service on
the K-3 for $225, it could be worth it.
TRK
2009/10/22 Dinorah de Jes=FAs Rodriguez <email suppressed>
> i had a K-3 and it became defective by the time i shot my third roll with
> it (had this same frame-line problem you describe). yes, it created some
> cool unpredictable experimental effects, but it was totally unreliable fo=
r
> any other use. everyone i know who has ever owned one has had some
> complaint or another. i really don't recommend this camera to anyone,
> unless you are using it as a "toy" purely for effects. there is a reason
> why they sell for so little money!
> enjoy today...
>
> Dinorah de Jes=FAs Rodr=EDguez
> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>
> *www.solislandmediaworks.com <http://web.mac.com/sol.island/iWeb/>***<htt=
p://artcinematic.blogspot.com/>
> *www.artcinematic.blogspot.com* <http://artcinematic.blogspot.com/>
> *http://cinesthesia.blip.tv*** <http://cinesthesia.blip.tv/>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza wrote:
>
> Sorry Bernd, I cannot answer anything about the frameline. I hope there'=
s
> someone else who can help you with that. I am wondering about the
> Krasnogorsk cameras. I was just offered to buy one but it seemed too
> "plastic". It didn't seem to be very sturdy, but you never know. Anybod=
y
> with experience with them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge L.
>
> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:30:08 +0200
> > From: email suppressed
> > Subject: Frame line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera
> > To: email suppressed
> >
> > Dear Frameworkers,
> >
> > I am working on a remote camera release for the K-3 camera and came
> > across a strange phenomena:
> > The camera seems to expose each frame in a manner that the frame line
> > ends up half way between two perforation holes.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_mm_film#Format_standards
> > says "Double-perforation 16 mm film has perforations down both sides
> > at every frame line. Single-perf only has perforations on one side of
> > the film."
> > Wherever I search I only find this kind of information.
> > Now, the question is: Will I run into problems when I give it to the
> > lab?
> > As far as I know projectors and telecine machines can adjust the frame
> > line, but what about positive prints?
> > Will it be possible to adjust the frame line in the lab and get a
> > proper screening print?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bernd
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I agree the K-3 is not a perfectly reliable camera, and I have seen mixed r=
esults...one that worked well and created good images and another that arri=
ved from Russia with broken parts.=A0 <br><br>I would and did purchase a Bo=
lex which is a lot more expensive but for the quality of the lenses and the=
construction it is worth it.<br>
<br>As for fixing the K-3's frameline problem I would recommend calling=
Du-All in NYC, they have a page on their website: <a href=3D"http://www.du=
allcamera.com/services/index.shtml">http://www.duallcamera.com/services/ind=
ex.shtml</a>=A0=A0=A0 which offers service on the K-3 for $225, it could be=
worth it.=A0 <br>
<br><br>TRK<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/22 Dinorah de Jes=FAs=
Rodriguez <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:email suppressed=
">email suppressed</a>></span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
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i had a K-3 and it became defective by the time i shot my third roll with i=
t (had this same frame-line problem you describe). =A0yes, it created some =
cool unpredictable experimental effects, but it was totally unreliable for =
any other use. =A0everyone i know who has ever owned one has had some compl=
aint or another. =A0 i really don't recommend this camera to anyone, un=
less you are using it as a "toy" purely for effects. =A0there is =
a reason why they sell for so little money!<div>
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nt: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><sp=
an style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: He=
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yle=3D"margin: 0px;"><font style=3D"color: rgb(119, 39, 120);" color=3D"#77=
2778" face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"3"><br>enjoy today...</font></div><div style=
=3D"margin: 0px; color: rgb(119, 39, 120); min-height: 13px;">
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0);" color=3D"#772778" face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"3">Dinorah de Jes</font><fo=
nt style=3D"color: rgb(119, 39, 120);" color=3D"#772778" face=3D"Verdana" s=
ize=3D"3">=FA</font><font style=3D"color: rgb(119, 39, 120);" color=3D"#772=
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, 39, 120);" color=3D"#772778" face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"3">=ED</font><font =
style=3D"color: rgb(119, 39, 120);" color=3D"#772778" face=3D"Verdana" size=
=3D"3">guez</font></div>
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=3D"#772778" face=3D"Verdana" size=3D"3">Film/Video Artist and Freelance Wr=
iter</font></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; color: rgb(119, 39, 120); min-h=
eight: 13px;">
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;" color=3D"#002fd7" face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3"><u><a href=3D"http://web=
.mac.com/sol.island/iWeb/" target=3D"_blank">www.solislandmediaworks.com</a=
></u></font><a href=3D"http://artcinematic.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank"=
><u></u></a></div>
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arget=3D"_blank"><u>www.artcinematic.blogspot.com</u></a></div><div style=
=3D"margin: 0px;"><font style=3D"color: rgb(0, 47, 215);" color=3D"#002fd7"=
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3"><a href=3D"http://cinesthesia.blip.tv/" targ=
et=3D"_blank"><u>http://cinesthesia.blip.tv><u></u></a></font></div>
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></span></span><font color=3D"#0000ee"><span style=3D"text-decoration: unde=
rline;"></span></font></span><br></span><br> </div><div><div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"h5">
<br><div><div>On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza wrot=
e:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"border-collapse: separ=
ate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-s=
tyle: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: no=
rmal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-sp=
ace: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-=
size: 13px;">Sorry Bernd, I cannot answer anything about the frameline.=A0 =
I hope there's someone else who can help you with that.=A0 I am wonderi=
ng about the Krasnogorsk cameras.=A0 I was just offered to buy one but it s=
eemed too "plastic".=A0 It didn't seem to be very sturdy, but=
you never know.=A0 Anybody with experience with them?<br>
<br>Thanks,<br><br>Jorge L.<br><br>> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:30:08 +02=
00<br>> From: <a href=3D"mailto:email suppressed" target=3D"_blank">(address suppressed)=
X.DE</a><br>> Subject: Frame line in Krasnogorsk-3 camera<br>> To: <a=
href=3D"mailto:email suppressed" target=3D"_blank">(address suppressed)=
ISTSERV.AOL.COM</a><br>
><span>=A0</span><br>> Dear Frameworkers,<br>><span>=A0</span><br>=
> I am working on a remote camera release for the K-3 camera and came<sp=
an>=A0</span><br>> across a strange phenomena:<br>> The camera seems =
to expose each frame in a manner that the frame line<span>=A0</span><br>
> ends up half way between two perforation holes.<br>> <a href=3D"htt=
p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_mm_film#Format_standards" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_mm_film#Format_standards</a><br>> says &qu=
ot;Double-perforation 16 mm film has perforations down both sides<span>=A0<=
/span><br>
> at every frame line. Single-perf only has perforations on one side of<=
span>=A0</span><br>> the film."<br>> Wherever I search I only fi=
nd this kind of information.<br>> Now, the question is: Will I run into =
problems when I give it to the<span>=A0</span><br>
> lab?<br>> As far as I know projectors and telecine machines can adj=
ust the frame<span>=A0</span><br>> line, but what about positive prints?=
<br>> Will it be possible to adjust the frame line in the lab and get a<=
span>=A0</span><br>
> proper screening print?<br>><span>=A0</span><br>> Thanks<br>>=
<span>=A0</span><br>> Bernd<br>><span>=A0</span><br>><span>=A0</sp=
an><br>> _______________________________________________________________=
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alizatuperfil.com.mx/" target=3D"_blank">con Windows Live</a><div style=3D"=
margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
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