From: Mark Toscano (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Apr 20 2010 - 19:06:00 PDT
As plainly stated by their disclaimer, Yale is very much still exercising this policy. And for what it's worth, the one time I used them (in 2009 to process a 400ft. roll of Tri-X), they did a terrible job. For L.A. labs doing reversal processing, I'd recommend Spectra over Yale any day.
Mark Toscano
--- On Mon, 4/19/10, DOMINIC ANGERAME <email suppressed> wrote:
From: DOMINIC ANGERAME <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: [FRAMEWORKS] student work and lab regs
To: email suppressed
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 1:28 PM
I have also run into this problem with one of my students. The former Forde Lab in Seattle refused to print anything with frontal male nudity. They printed one of my films that has female nudity and never said anything. Yale lab in LA (not sure they are still there) used to do the same thing. I guess it is within the lab's right to print or not to print what they see fit. Best to just go somewhere else, because you know will probably do a poor job on the work.
So this is not so uncommon.
Dominic Angerame
--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Joan Hawkins <email suppressed> wrote:
From: Joan Hawkins <email suppressed>
Subject: student work and lab regs
To: email suppressed
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010,
9:28 AM
HI all, I've run into a problem this term and I guess I'm wondering how common it is, and how you handle it.
I teach film history and criticism courses, but in my avant-garde classes I always allow
students to do a film as part of their final project. In the past, I've never had any problem, even whencontent as well as style was provocative and edgy. This semester one of my students, who is also enrolled in advanced production, sent footage--enough
for two class films' worth of shots-- to a lab for processing and printing. The lab processed the film but refused to print it because they found the material objectionable.
From what I've been able to piece together from the production prof's report and the student's account, there are suggestive scenesbut no actual sex, someone in a corset and about 5 secs of full frontal male nudity. We're sending the processed film to a different lab in LA or NY for actual printing, the student is calling to talk to them first and then the production prof and I will provide documentation, if necessary, that this is for a
class project (actually 2 class projects). Ironically, this entire brouhaha broke the day I was planning to discuss the NEA Four and the culture wars of the 80s/90s in class, so we had quite a "teachable moment," as my husband wryly called it.
I haven't been able to persuade the production prof to tell me the name of the lab that refused to print the film; she only says the labis in the South. She did send me their printed disclaimer, which I'm pasting in below. What I'm wondering is how common this is and how
you all handle similar situations. Should I make a practice of warning students that they need to alert the lab first if there's suggestive material?And what in the world counts as suggestive material?-- this disclaimer covers much of what goes on in mainstream Hollywood movies and television.
As a caveat, I haven't SEEN the film yet, so I don't know what the footage actually looks like, but the description I got from boththe student and my colleague make it sound like stuff you could see any night on cable. Thanks for any suggestions you can send. Joan
The published lab caveat is as follows:
"SUBJECT MATERIAL POLICY
We realize that the artist has full and total choice of expression. However, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. As a policy, we do not and will not process, print, repair, or transfer any film containing: nudity, pornography, sexual acts (either real or simulated), lewdness, satanic, occultic, religiously blasphemous, exploitative of children, debasement of women, containing S & M, anything illegal, or in any way extremely offensive to us. Nor will we participate in the desensitization of or the glorification of killing, rape, violence, gore, suicide, torture, profanity, etc. whether in visual or audio form. "
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Joan Hawkins
Indiana University
Dept of Communication and Culture
800 E. Third St
Bloomington, IN 47405
office phone 812-855-1548
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