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Today's Topics:
1. Re: John Writer (Steve Polta)
2. Re: weird! (Chris Kennedy)
3. Re: John Writer (Regina Longo)
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Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:19:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Polta <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] John Writer
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
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Timoleon Wilkins definitely knew John Writer. When that screening I described was over and everyone just was all tense and exhaling, Tim broke the tension (sort of) by standing, silently shaking John's hand and exiting the room (for a cigarette I think??he came back in a minute).
Steve Polta
--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Mark Toscano <email suppressed> wrote:
> From: Mark Toscano <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] John Writer
> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 5:36 PM
> Hmm, I've been wondering about John
> Writer a bit.? I've never seen anything, but when
> Brakhage's internegatives came to the Academy from MoMA in
> about 2005-06, one of Writer's internegs was in there.?
> Most likely, Western Cine labs had sent it by mistake to
> MoMA back in 2002.? It's a film called HADES
> TRINITY.? Can't help but think of THE DANTE QUARTET, of
> course.?
>
> I think at the time, maybe Timoleon Wilkins told me he had
> known John, but I don't remember what he said.? I just
> inventoried the interneg into our collection, so if someone
> knows John, he might like to know we have it and perhaps
> want it back.
>
> Steve P - your description of that screening is
> fascinating.? I wonder if he makes films anymore.
>
> Mark Toscano
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/4/10, gregg biermann <email suppressed>
> wrote:
>
> From: gregg biermann <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] John Writer
> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 7:49 AM
>
>
>
>
> ?
> ?
> Jacob,
>
> I have a dim memory of him at SFAI in 1992 or 1993. A tall,
> bearded
> fellow with a floppy brimmed hat and sandals. He thoroughly
> thrashed me
> at chess without much effort. His one film that I recall
> was called
> something like 'I -- Venus, Dog of this Light". Reminded me
> of
> Brakhage's Arabics, Roman Numerals, Egyptians, etc. It was
> soft-focus,
> abstracted if not totally abstract and delicate. Some of
> the graduate
> students (harshly but affectionately) dubbed him "Stan the
> younger".
>
> G
>
>
>
>
>
> Jacob W. wrote:
>
> ?
> ?
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> I was wondering if someone might be able to help me out
> with any
> information about John Writer (who he is, about his films,
> anything
> really)?? Brakhage mentions him in the interview with
> Suranjan Ganguly,
> but so far I've come up empty-handed.? Thanks.
>
> ?
>
> ?
>
> ---
>
> Jacob
>
> http://making-light-of-it.blogspot.com/
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:23:23 -0400
From: Chris Kennedy <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] weird!
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
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Hmm..
Jason, are you contending that the contributors have fairly narrow taste
(besides the obvious one of really liking experimental film)?
I did some calculations to try and see if that?s true.
Both lists that were tabulated from votes (50 films and 25 emerging
filmmakers) stop at 7 votes apiece.
*(the top 50 filmmakers were not voted on. Rather they were compiled from
the number of films that were mentioned by each artist, so artists who made
a series of different films people liked seem to have a better shot at
crawling up that list).
With 46 contributors, that means that there could have been 2300 films
mentioned and 1150 emerging filmmakers.
For the top 50 films, the list you see represents 493 votes, which means
there were 1807 votes that didn?t make it on the list. So, if EVERY single
film that was mentioned that didn?t get on the list STILL got 6 votes, that
would mean there would be 301 films just lurking below the surface (which
does make me suspicious about why there?s only eight films with 7 votes...
Were there more that were just edited out?). So, the potential is that there
was anywhere between 300 and 1800 films that got mentioned by the
contributors that didn?t make the list. And, on average, most contributors
only have 10 films that match the final list (I had 15. Nicole Brenez?s
list, which is available online and quite different in general, still had a
10 film overlap). So we?re perhaps not the squares it looks like.
As for the emerging filmmakers, the calculations come out to about half of
the above. 150 to 909 potential names, average overlap of 5 to 6 names per
contributors list.
I would contend that even if the pool of contributors changed quite
drastically, most of the change would happen in the lower end of the
spectrum (would be nice to get more European, Asian, Canadian or Chicagoan
names there) but it would be very difficult to ?unseat? Dorsky, Benning,
Jacobs, Klahr et al. (especially since those three in particular have so
many films to vote on). Any film that got more than 10 votes seems like a
pretty safe bet for a redo.
Of course, all of this could be used as a good argument NOT to make lists
like this. The results do seem a bit underwhelming. It doesn?t reflect all
the exciting films that were made in the last decade, but it is a ?look
back? at the ?avant-garde?, so to speak.
But it seems not so much a conspiracy as much as it is probability at play.
Best,
Chris
On 6/4/10 10:39 PM, "Jason Halprin" <email suppressed> wrote:
>
> To me, the list of contributors seems to be the weirdest part of it all. Meant
> in no offense to the people on the list (who include good friends,
> acquaintances, professors, contacts through festival work, and programmers of
> my work), I can only ask the question: Really?
>
> This is exactly the sort of canonization that drives me crazy. Then again,
> what do I expect from an NYC poll?
>
> Jeeze, now I feel like a bitter old man.
>
> -Jason Halprin
>
> PS I encourage everyone on here to check out the work of Richard Myers, Dana
> Krumins, Michael Henderson, and countless others who seem lost to our small,
> but important sliver of the cultural spectrum.
>
>
> From: Roger Beebe <email suppressed>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
> Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 2:20:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] weird!
>
> The (hand-selected) list of the 46 contributors is at the bottom of the page.
> Would be interesting to see what an open Frameworks poll yielded (although
> certainly now that History Has Been Written, the results might now follow this
> list more than they would've otherwise).
>
> ...
> R.
>
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Chris Lynn wrote:
>
>> > I guess I am out of the loop- but I never knew they were conducting such a
>> poll-Was it just for Film Comment readers and contributors? Or did they make
>> an announcement on Frameworks?
>> > just wondering-
>> >
>> > cl
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Roger Beebe <email suppressed> wrote:
>> >
>>> >> From: Roger Beebe <email suppressed>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] weird!
>>> >> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
>>> >> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 1:41 PM
>>> >> Pretty sure Tomonari Nishikawa still
>>> >> counts as Japanese, doesn't he? I know he was schooled
>>> >> in the U.S., but...
>>> >>
>>> >> (Not defending this list. Biting my tongue.)
>>> >> R.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 4, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Jim Flannery wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>> Friday, June 4, 2010, 9:16:50 AM, one wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> what a bizarre list (I suppose they always are)
>>>>> >>>> http://www.filmlinc.com/fcm/mj10/agpoll.htm
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Bizarre in what way? Aside from the lack of any
>>> >> Japanese names (and only
>>>> >>> one Austrian) it's pretty much in line from what i
>>> >> remember of the
>>>> >>> decade and about what you'd expect from the listed
>>> >> participants.
>>>> >>> Certainly the WTF content is much lower than the run
>>> >> of lists of
>>>> >>> mainstream/arthouse features ...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 00:04:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Regina Longo <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] John Writer
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I know John well. We were colleagues back in the 1990s in the bay area. He did indeed stop making films for ten years switching to large format paintings that incorporated the braile alphabet and that were phenomenal. In the past few years he has begun to work in video and has mounted a few shows of paintings and short videos in oakland and in la. For Mark and Jacob: I can contact John to see if he would be willing to get in touch. As I told Jacob off list he tends to keep quite a low profile.
Regina Longo
Dept of Film and Media Studies
UC Santa Barbara
On Fri Jun 4th, 2010 11:19 PM EDT Steve Polta wrote:
>Timoleon Wilkins definitely knew John Writer. When that screening I described was over and everyone just was all tense and exhaling, Tim broke the tension (sort of) by standing, silently shaking John's hand and exiting the room (for a cigarette I think??he came back in a minute).
>
>Steve Polta
>
>--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Mark Toscano <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Toscano <email suppressed>
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] John Writer
>> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
>> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 5:36 PM
>> Hmm, I've been wondering about John
>> Writer a bit.? I've never seen anything, but when
>> Brakhage's internegatives came to the Academy from MoMA in
>> about 2005-06, one of Writer's internegs was in there.?
>> Most likely, Western Cine labs had sent it by mistake to
>> MoMA back in 2002.? It's a film called HADES
>> TRINITY.? Can't help but think of THE DANTE QUARTET, of
>> course.?
>>
>> I think at the time, maybe Timoleon Wilkins told me he had
>> known John, but I don't remember what he said.? I just
>> inventoried the interneg into our collection, so if someone
>> knows John, he might like to know we have it and perhaps
>> want it back.
>>
>> Steve P - your description of that screening is
>> fascinating.? I wonder if he makes films anymore.
>>
>> Mark Toscano
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 6/4/10, gregg biermann <email suppressed>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: gregg biermann <email suppressed>
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] John Writer
>> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed>
>> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 7:49 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>> ?
>> Jacob,
>>
>> I have a dim memory of him at SFAI in 1992 or 1993. A tall,
>> bearded
>> fellow with a floppy brimmed hat and sandals. He thoroughly
>> thrashed me
>> at chess without much effort. His one film that I recall
>> was called
>> something like 'I -- Venus, Dog of this Light". Reminded me
>> of
>> Brakhage's Arabics, Roman Numerals, Egyptians, etc. It was
>> soft-focus,
>> abstracted if not totally abstract and delicate. Some of
>> the graduate
>> students (harshly but affectionately) dubbed him "Stan the
>> younger".
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jacob W. wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> ?
>> ?
>> ?
>> #yiv1382957565 .hmmessage P
>> {margin:0px;padding:0px;}
>> #yiv1382957565 .hmmessage
>> {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if someone might be able to help me out
>> with any
>> information about John Writer (who he is, about his films,
>> anything
>> really)?? Brakhage mentions him in the interview with
>> Suranjan Ganguly,
>> but so far I've come up empty-handed.? Thanks.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>> http://making-light-of-it.blogspot.com/
>>
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