From: Shelly Silver (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Jun 05 2010 - 10:51:46 PDT
not completely off topic - i recently heard yoko ono talk about fluxus
- how when george maciunas came up with the idea/name she argued
against it, saying that it wasn't a movement. but looking back all
these years, she admired him for doing it, as now it has entered
history, people talk about what these artists were doing. it is a way
of saying something important is happening here.
i was just on a jury of a film festival, another activity of making
bests. these competitions are strangely contingent, and benefit more
than harm, in that there are a plethora of festivals and competitions
and never a consensus.... (perhaps i'm kidding myself here)
in terms of 'the list' i would like a list that focuses on complexity,
sublists, additions - above all the word 'and'
best for the ongoing health of a practice/practices
On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Chris Lynn wrote:
> Dear Scott and Shelly,
> thanks for the insight!
> seems like Views and Film Comment have some special relationship
> regarding the selection. Maybe it's just me, but is anyone else
> troubled by the the word "best" ?- seems silly and somewhat
> offensive. What was the criteria? Is this explained in the magazine?
> I don't read Film Comment-I am hoping there is some constructive
> analysis of their assessments-
> Chris
>
> --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Shelly Silver <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> From: Shelly Silver <email suppressed>
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] weird!
>> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <email suppressed
>> >
>> Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 12:25 PM
>> dear scott..
>> in terms of the community, and this is a community-based
>> listserve, my
>> question with all these kinds of lists is who
>> benefits. i'm all for
>> benefits -they're useful things. clearly
>> the people who benefit are
>> those on the list (both selectors and chosen) as well as
>> Views,
>> further consolidating an already very consolidated
>> vision/structure.
>> (as you point out so well below)
>>
>> the next question is who doesn't benefit. well,
>> everyone who is not
>> on the list. for me these lists are most often
>> scary - they write a
>> very particular view of history as History. does the
>> community
>> benefit? i've always been one that thought that
>> community, in the
>> long run, benefits from diversity, aesthetic bouncings and
>> even
>> clashes, and above all inclusion.
>>
>> shelly
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:38 AM, <email suppressed>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi there--
>>> chris' advanced math skills aside -- i don't find the
>> list weird at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> the editor of the list co-programs Views. the editor
>> of the list
>>> sent a "pre-selection" of titles to the 46 selectors
>> which, included
>>> every film shown at views in the 2000's and a
>> sprinkling of others
>>> from Wavelengths that didn't show at Views. these were
>> the
>>> 'recommended' titles so to speak, although all
>> selectors were
>>> invited to add their own, of course.
>>>
>>> its been said before: Views skews way toward
>> distinguished gentlemen
>>> from the US.
>>> the list of selectors is mostly in this camp, with a
>> sprinkling of
>>> women and folks outside the US.
>>>
>>> so its not weird at all to me that the list lauds Mr.
>> Klahr, (and
>>> not just because he voted!) and crew, because IMHO it
>> was a pre-
>>> determined self-congratulatory exercise.
>>>
>>> as all such lists of this ilk are...
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>> scott in toronto
>>>
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