From: Beth Capper (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Oct 13 2010 - 19:48:49 PDT
The difference is for/not-for profit. Canyon, I would imagine, has their own
fee in addition to artists fees, while I doubt anyone at Ubu is getting rich
off their free content.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Matt Helme <email suppressed> wrote:
> Sure, why not do it the right way? Would Canyon Cinema ever distribute a
> film without the makers permission?
> Matt
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> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!
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> Allowing people to see things - people who live in, say, the developing
> world, not in New York or London or wherever - letting them know there's
> more to cinema than the latest blockbuster - can only be of value. Not
> everything is available on DVD. Many countries practice censorship. Ubuweb
> offers / offered a celebration of the possibilities in creative practice
> that otherwise people may never get to experience.
>
> BTW there's also evidence that people who LIKE stuff they find online
> subsequently purchase it.
>
> Jack
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> On 14/10/2010, at 12:45 PM, Matt Helme wrote:
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> To not get permission is rude and illegal.
> Matt
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> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!
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> http://jacksargeant.blogspot.com/2010/10/vale-ubu.html
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>
> On 14/10/2010, at 11:48 AM, Beth Capper wrote:
>
> And, if you ever read Cory Doctorow, you'll realize that yes, people do buy
> the books even when it's out there for free (Doctorow's books are all
> available online for download, yet two of them have been on bestseller's
> lists). Could it perhaps be a misconception that forcing scarcity (esp. in
> the case of digital works) is a good business model?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Beverly O'Neill <email suppressed>
> wrote:
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>> Dear Jack, Your point is well taken. How do viewers get access to this
>> kind of work? However, UBU simply pirated artists films without asking
>> permission, or paying a small fee to upload films onto their site. Two
>> years ago this listserv spent considerable time arguing about the validity
>> of Ken Goldsmith's (UBU's creator) tactics. If you backtrack in the
>> Frameworks archive you can follow that thread. Everything that was said
>> then still applies today. Many of the responses supported the case you are
>> making now. Obviously I was opposed.
>>
>> Don't close the library, don't prohibit access but do buy the books.
>>
>> Beverly O'
>>
>>
>> "good news"?
>>
>> not for anybody who wants to see one of these movies, read an essay or
>> listen to some sound who doesn't live in a major urban centre or have access
>> to a museum. Maybe the copyright is an issue, but they made work available
>> that often isn't readily accessible, and that counts for something.
>>
>> Bottom line is that regardless of anything, it's a resource and a library,
>> and I've never been one for prohibiting access and closing libraries...
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>> On 14/10/2010, at 7:29 AM, Beverly O'Neill wrote:
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>> Ah, this is such good news. I will refrain from posting a screed about
>> that site. A Google search offers a number of condolences to Ken Goldsmith,
>> UBU's founder. One writer wondered if the anniversary of John Lennon's
>> death and the simultaneous hacking of UBU had anything in common.
>> So thrilled!
>> Beverly O'Neill
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Shane Christian Eason wrote:
>>
>> So...yeah...um...apparently UBU is offline! Hacked!
>>
>> Considering what has been discussed in the past regarding this website,
>> does anyone want to comment on this? Additional information? Very odd,
>> considering I was on the site this past weekend. Although, my iPhone App
>> for WFMU UbuWeb Radio continues to work.
>>
>> Curious,
>>
>> Shane
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