From: Matt Helme (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Oct 13 2010 - 20:44:14 PDT
That was not really my point. You should get permission from the maker.
Matt
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From: jeanne LIOTTA <email suppressed>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 11:04:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!
UBU-SOUND is up and running!
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Beth Capper <email suppressed> wrote:
The difference is for/not-for profit. Canyon, I would imagine, has their own fee
in addition to artists fees, while I doubt anyone at Ubu is getting rich off
their free content.
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>On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Matt Helme <email suppressed> wrote:
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>Sure, why not do it the right way? Would Canyon Cinema ever distribute a film
>without the makers permission?
>>Matt
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>>To: Experimental Film Discussion List <email suppressed>
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>>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] UbuWeb...HACKED!
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>>Allowing people to see things - people who live in, say, the developing world,
>>not in New York or London or wherever - letting them know there's more to cinema
>>than the latest blockbuster - can only be of value. Not everything is available
>>on DVD. Many countries practice censorship. Ubuweb offers / offered a
>>celebration of the possibilities in creative practice that otherwise people may
>>never get to experience.
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>>BTW there's also evidence that people who LIKE stuff they find online
>>subsequently purchase it.
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>>Jack
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>>On 14/10/2010, at 12:45 PM, Matt Helme wrote:
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>>To not get permission is rude and illegal.
>>>Matt
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>>>http://jacksargeant.blogspot.com/2010/10/vale-ubu.html
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>>>On 14/10/2010, at 11:48 AM, Beth Capper wrote:
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>>>And, if you ever read Cory Doctorow, you'll realize that yes, people do buy the
>>>books even when it's out there for free (Doctorow's books are all available
>>>online for download, yet two of them have been on bestseller's lists). Could it
>>>perhaps be a misconception that forcing scarcity (esp. in the case of digital
>>>works) is a good business model?
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>>>>On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Beverly
>O'Neill <email suppressed> wrote:
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>>>>Dear Jack, Your point is well taken. How do viewers get access to this kind of
>>>>work? However, UBU simply pirated artists films without asking permission, or
>>>>paying a small fee to upload films onto their site. Two years ago this listserv
>>>>spent considerable time arguing about the validity of Ken Goldsmith's (UBU's
>>>>creator) tactics. If you backtrack in the Frameworks archive you can follow
>>>>that thread. Everything that was said then still applies today. Many of the
>>>>responses supported the case you are making now. Obviously I was opposed.
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>>>>>Don't close the library, don't prohibit access but do buy the books.
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>>>>>Beverly O'
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>>>>>"good news"?
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>>>>>>not for anybody who wants to see one of these movies, read an essay or listen to
>>>>>>some sound who doesn't live in a major urban centre or have access to a museum.
>>>>>>Maybe the copyright is an issue, but they made work available that often isn't
>>>>>>readily accessible, and that counts for something.
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>>>>>>Bottom line is that regardless of anything, it's a resource and a library, and
>>>>>>I've never been one for prohibiting access and closing libraries...
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>>>>>>Jack
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>>>>>>On 14/10/2010, at 7:29 AM, Beverly O'Neill wrote:
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>>>>>>Ah, this is such good news. I will refrain from posting a screed about that
>>>>>>site. A Google search offers a number of condolences to Ken Goldsmith, UBU's
>>>>>>founder. One writer wondered if the anniversary of John Lennon's death and the
>>>>>>simultaneous hacking of UBU had anything in common.
>>>>>>>So thrilled!
>>>>>>>Beverly O'Neill
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>>>>>>>On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Shane Christian Eason wrote:
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>>>>>>>So...yeah...um...apparently UBU is offline! Hacked!
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>>>>>>>>Considering what has been discussed in the past regarding this website,
>>>>>>>>does anyone want to comment on this? Additional information? Very odd,
>>>>>>>>considering I was on the site this past weekend. Although, my iPhone
App
>>>>>>>>for WFMU UbuWeb Radio continues to work.
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>>>>>>>>Curious,
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>>>>>>>>Shane
>>>>>>>>_________________________________________ Shane Christian Eason, BFA;
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>>>>>>>>Dorothy F. Schmidt College of Arts & Letters
>>>>>>>>Florida Atlantic University
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