Hi there
Regarding Anger's 'Story of O' - no you can't go to the CF, because they don't have it... the fact is, no one has it, and no one other than Anger has ever verified that it exists! There is no record of any screening, ever!
Sure we have that much printed 'production still' of a topless girl in chains being leered at by a right ugly sod... but that's it. For all we know that could have been a test shot - there are no more stills or footage available... to my knowledge. In fact, we don't even though if that photo is by Anger, or pilfered from another source.
So even if 'O' was ever shot at all, I would take all of Anger's comments you've read about it with a healthy pinch of salt. It's very likely to just be more myth making from the man... (I mean, do you really think it was funded with 'ransom money' from the Peugeot family? - pull the other one!)
In my opinion, the most interesting of Anger's lost films is 'Escape Episode' (aka 'Demigods'). We know that one was real, people watched it at screenings in San Francisco and wrote about it. And many remember it as a pre-cursor to 'Fireworks'...
If you still want to go on the wild goose chase for 'O', then the best clue is in Jack Hunter's book 'Moonchild', which says ". /..the story goes that the footage is buried somewhere in France/".
Now how Anger is that ?!
regards
*Ben Barton
www.benbarton.co.uk
benbarton_at_email.com*
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:11:42 -0400 From: a s <a.magicklantern_at_gmail.com> Subject: [Frameworks] Kenneth Anger's - "The Story of O" To: frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com Message-ID: <BANLkTikH+YzCGOh5LwDEf56-7ujOV=BOMw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello All, Has anyone ever seen Anger's "The Story of O", Can you go to The Cinemateque Francais and ask to screen it? Do bootlegs exist? All I know about it has been through interviews I have read with Kenneth Anger, but no one seems to ask where the film is now and if it will ever be released. Does he even have a copy? I am aware of it's limited edition nature and the legal issues with it's funding but one can only hope to see it. Even descriptions of what the shots look like would be interesting. Best -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
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----------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 00:29:33 -0400 From: Steve HOLMGREN <steve.holmgren_at_gmail.com> Subject: [Frameworks] David Sherman + Peter Hutton, Larry Jordan, & Jon Beacham at UnionDocs To: frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com Message-ID: <BANLkTi=pBOnqMVR4_WRKPh+Jq1TvoeFtiQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" The radical psychiatrist Wilhelm Reich and mega-developer Del Webb both found their way into Southern Arizona in the late 1950?s, both bringing vastly different ideas of Utopia. The intersection of these thinkers is the backbone for David Sherman?s compelling documentary essay, *Wasteland Utopias <
http://t.ymlp16.net/hbuuacawbmaoaemapaue/click.php>*, screening this Saturday. Sherman will appear in person for discussion along with curator Paul Roth. ?A remarkable cocktail of personal narratives that explores unlikely coincidences of people and places in a wilderness paradoxically threatened by civilization. Its medium is
an enriching part of its message, making it as challenging as it is gripping.? David Canter, Environmental Psychologist, author of ?The Psychology of Place." Jon Beacham, who operates under the imprint The Brother in Elysium (formerly Hermitage in Beacon), has produced an incredible collection of unique art pieces utilizing collage, photography, and letterpress techniques. He also has quietly completed a handful of personal and moving films which relate to portraiture of landscapes. His mixed media works will be on display Sunday inside beginning at 7pm, and at 8:30pm Beacham will host a backyard 16mm screening of his films <
http://t.ymlp16.net/hbueanawbmaraemacaue/click.php>alongside work from Peter Hutton ( *New York Portraits Part 1*) and Larry Jordan (*Triptych in Four Parts*), who have both informed his approach. www.uniondocs.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
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tachments/20110602/1fffb719/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:46:44 +0000 From: edwin m <ed___209_at_hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] combining SD and HD To: <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com> Message-ID: <COL120-W469F54AFD8BC83810E90F0AA7C0_at_phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" the main thing for me would be that sd up-rezzed to hd can look pretty terrible (much worse, side-by-side, than if it was being projected from an sd file). i'd consider three options: 1) getting someone who's dealt with it before to up-res it for you (new versions of after effects can do it quite well, don't do it in final cut!) another important thing is to have as high-quality sd file as you can, so if you've got them on digibeta then that's probably best 2) project the sd and hd films separately 3) import the sd files into an hd timeline at their native scale, so when projected they sit in the centre of the screen with a lot
of black around them. just in my opinion, i'd say this is visually much more acceptable if you can't project separately. also if any of the sd files are 4:3, you won't lose any image, which you would if you up-rezzed and filled the frame. i'm sure there are people with more experience doing it than me, but i hope one of those is helpful! edwin > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:52:10 -0700 > From: mark_williams_1_at_yahoo.com > To: frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com > Subject: [Frameworks] combining SD and HD > > Hello Frameworkers, > > Just curious if anyone has any thoughts on the technical issues of combining individual SD and HD video works on a single BluRay disk? > > Basically I am wanting to present a single programme screening of 6 videos in a series of improvised spaces. I have the individual works as files, but for various reasons I can't screen off computer. As I need to be mobile BluRay seems a good solution. > > I am unsure of the exact specs of the files, I only know some are
SD and others HD. Any problems with 'bumping up' the SD works to play back on the BluRay? Anything to watch out for? We will probably use Final Cut. > > all thoughts and comments appreciated! > > best, > Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com >
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nvolves up-rezing from 480 vertical to 720 or 1080. At their native resolution, they'll be too tiny on the screen. Up-rezing shouldn't introduce the artifacting Edwin mentions, but there could be other issues involved, like frame rate conversion, deinterlacing... If you're in Final Cut world, the big trick is getting a good BluRay authored. DVDSP won't do BluRay, though there's a work around. Toast has a minimal BluRay authoring function, but the encoding stinks. If you don't have a true BluRay authoring alternative available (I think Adobe will do it on a Mac, everything else is on the PC side AFAIK), you'll need that workaround. I have it written down somewhere. Let me know if you need it and i'll hunt it down. For FCP people, a better mobile option, if you can get your hands on one cheap as they're now obsolete, is a Toshiba HD-DVD player. DVDSP can author discs for that without any special voodoo, and you can write them to standard DVD5 blanks (just not as much run time
per disc at the same settings, natch). 30 minutes will fit in excellent quality MPEG (more if you use H264, but that complicates the workflow a bit). For a program of shorts, this shouldn't be a problem. But, if you break the program into several discs, you could, as Edwin suggests, group the SD together and HD together, so you have the SD stuff on an SD disc, since the player (HD-DVD or BluRay) will handle either, and up-convert it. (A benefit of the Toshibas was/is their superior upconverting hardware) djt ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:24:34 -0500 From: D Dawson <decodawson_at_shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] combining SD and HD To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com> Message-ID: <CA0D0752.A1D6%decodawson_at_shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If you want to uprez from SD to HD, the first step should be converting your SD material into a solid SD "new master." I know people say you can't act
ually improve the quality of something after it has been shot, which shockingly is untrue as outlined below! If you convert DV footage (that has already been captured) from the native DV codec 640x480 (the DV pixel dimension stretches this image back into 720x480 everytime it plays back) and convert it to PRORES HQ or Uncompressed or Animation at 720x480 and do a side by side frame grab from the original DV and the new codec, you will actually see a sharper image in the new codec! Yes, you will actually be able to pull out the FULL information stored in the clip, as DV uses all of these formulas to "quickly" display the image, a properly re-encoded version just shows you everything that is there. I would then take this new re-encoded file (ProRES HQ, Animation, Uncompressed) and start your uprez process (whichever you want to do). Yes, frame rates, aspect ratio and pixel stretching are all part of the discussion, but starting from the best quality SD encoded version of your
clip is the best way to start. You may want to blur just one of the channels (R, G or B) once you have uprez'd it... Just to soften some of the artifacting that becomes more apparent when it is stretched 4x larger than its original resolution supports. Deco On 6/2/11 8:49 AM, "David Tetzlaff" <djtet53_at_gmail.com> wrote: > I've had good luck with up-rezed SD original inside an HD project in FCP. It > depends to some extent on what the footage looks like (more so than the > quality of the SD format - the stuff I had from from a cheap DV > camcorder...). If you don't want to crop the SD image to 16:9, I'd pillar-box > it, but that still involves up-rezing from 480 vertical to 720 or 1080. At > their native resolution, they'll be too tiny on the screen. Up-rezing > shouldn't introduce the artifacting Edwin mentions, but there could be other > issues involved, like frame rate conversion, deinterlacing... > > If you're in Final Cut world, the big trick is getting a good BluRay auth
ored. > DVDSP won't do BluRay, though there's a work around. Toast has a minimal > BluRay authoring function, but the encoding stinks. If you don't have a true > BluRay authoring alternative available (I think Adobe will do it on a Mac, > everything else is on the PC side AFAIK), you'll need that workaround. I have > it written down somewhere. Let me know if you need it and i'll hunt it down. > > For FCP people, a better mobile option, if you can get your hands on one cheap > as they're now obsolete, is a Toshiba HD-DVD player. DVDSP can author discs > for that without any special voodoo, and you can write them to standard DVD5 > blanks (just not as much run time per disc at the same settings, natch). 30 > minutes will fit in excellent quality MPEG (more if you use H264, but that > complicates the workflow a bit). For a program of shorts, this shouldn't be a > problem. > > But, if you break the program into several discs, you could, as Edwin > suggests, group the SD together
and HD together, so you have the SD stuff on > an SD disc, since the player (HD-DVD or BluRay) will handle either, and > up-convert it. (A benefit of the Toshibas was/is their superior upconverting > hardware) > > djt > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com >
https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks www.decodawson.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:30:52 -0500 From: D Dawson <decodawson_at_shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] combining SD and HD To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> Message-ID: <CA0D08CC.A1D8%decodawson@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark, For your specific purpose, you could also look into something like the WD Media player... Which is much smaller than a blu-ray player. The Western Digital Media Player will play off of a hard drive or a flash drive. You can encode each of the movies
as an H264 either in SD or HD... IT depends on the signal that goes to the projector (it outputs HDMI) but the SD should look okay (do some tests) -- plus it depends if the projector is full 1080 or 720... Either way you can avoid the whole Blu-Ray authoring step, and could either assemble one long movie of all the films together, or have them as separate movies in their own formats... H264 holds up really well, and the player has handled even 100% quality H264 files... Just a suggestion. Deco On 6/2/11 7:46 AM, "edwin m" <ed___209_at_hotmail.com> wrote: > > the main thing for me would be that sd up-rezzed to hd can look pretty > terrible (much worse, side-by-side, than if it was being projected from an sd > file). i'd consider three options: > > 1) getting someone who's dealt with it before to up-res it for you (new > versions of after effects can do it quite well, don't do it in final cut!) > another important thing is to have as high-quality sd file as you can, so if > you'v
e got them on digibeta then that's probably best > > 2) project the sd and hd films separately > > 3) import the sd files into an hd timeline at their native scale, so when > projected they sit in the centre of the screen with a lot of black around > them. just in my opinion, i'd say this is visually much more acceptable if you > can't project separately. also if any of the sd files are 4:3, you won't lose > any image, which you would if you up-rezzed and filled the frame. > > i'm sure there are people with more experience doing it than me, but i hope > one of those is helpful! > > edwin > > > >> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:52:10 -0700 >> > From: mark_williams_1_at_yahoo.com >> > To: frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com >> > Subject: [Frameworks] combining SD and HD >> > >> > Hello Frameworkers, >> > >> > Just curious if anyone has any thoughts on the technical issues of >> combining individual SD and HD video works on a single BluRay disk? >> > >> > Basically I am wanting to present
a single programme screening of 6 videos >> in a series of improvised spaces. I have the individual works as files, but >> for various reasons I can't screen off computer. As I need to be mobile >> BluRay seems a good solution. >> > >> > I am unsure of the exact specs of the files, I only know some are SD and >> others HD. Any problems with 'bumping up' the SD works to play back on the >> BluRay? Anything to watch out for? We will probably use Final Cut. >> > >> > all thoughts and comments appreciated! >> > >> > best, >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > FrameWorks mailing list >> > FrameWorks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com >> >
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------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:27:44 -0400 From: David Tetzlaff <djtet53_at_gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] combining SD and HD To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com> Message-ID: <24D913F3-6BDC-4CCA-BF4A-1620EC10301F_at_gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Deco: Good suggestion on the WD media player!! But you got this backwards: > If you convert DV footage (that has already been captured) from the native > DV codec 640x480 (the DV pixel dimension stretches this image back into > 720x480 everytime it plays back) DV is captured in 720x480. The pixels are rectangular, not square, so the image is native 4:3. When this is displayed on a computer screen, which has square pixels, the display software squeezes the image into 640x480 so it does not appear anamorphic. But the data files, all your render files, output, etc. remain 720x480. An image up-rezed from SD to HD in software (or going through the upconverter in
a DVD player with HDMI out to 720P or 1080I) should look (somewhat) sharper than the original because the scaler interpolates the intermediate pixels using fairly sophisticated algorithms (though you can set it to just double lines if you want to for some reason). Also, in my experience ProRes HQ is overkill compared to just plain ProRes. I have never been able to see a difference between them, and thus HQ just seems more a waste of hard drive space. Of course, YMMV. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Freya <freya128_at_yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] combining SD and HD To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com> Message-ID: <428624.89500.qm_at_web30803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AFAIK blu-ray supports SD format resolutions, so if they are independent works, they could be stored at their native resolutions and they could be implemented in a "play all" type
fashion. Of course authoring that might be a load of suffering, never tried it. love Freya --- On Wed, 6/1/11, mark williams <mark_williams_1_at_yahoo.com> wrote: > From: mark williams <mark_williams_1_at_yahoo.com> > Subject: [Frameworks] combining SD and HD > To: frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com > Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 9:52 PM > Hello Frameworkers, > > Just curious if anyone has any thoughts on the technical > issues of combining individual SD and HD video works on a > single BluRay disk? > > Basically I am wanting to present a single programme > screening of 6 videos in a series of improvised spaces. I > have the individual works as files, but for various reasons > I can't screen off computer. As I need to be mobile BluRay > seems a good solution. > > I am unsure of the exact specs of the files, I only know > some are SD and others HD. Any problems with 'bumping up' > the SD works to play back on the BluRay? Anything to watch > out for? We will probably use Final Cut. >
> all thoughts and comments appreciated! > > best, > Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:42:26 -0400 From: Dennis Williams <wdcwdfilm_at_gmail.com> Subject: [Frameworks] Processing for 8mm kodachrome To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Message-ID: <BANLkTin=gugNr6Nqt6b0suod4E-VjQKj5g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hello folks, i met this fella the other day who shot some inherited 20 year old 8mm kodachrome that was in the fridge and now would like to have it processed. is there anywhere in the world where this can be done? any thoughts or suggestions would be entertaining. thanks plenty. cheers! dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/frame
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