Coffee and Cigarettes (2003) comes to mind as one black & white movie that was released on color release stock in the U.S. It looked OK as far as I recall, although emulsion scratches from heavy wear or damage can turn out green or some other color I think.
Ed
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>From: Daniela Curro' <dcurraux_at_gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 28, 2011 5:09 PM
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com>
>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B & W on colour stock
>
>Hi Shumona,
>
>Getting b/w images on color stock is definitely possible. Usually you
>need to have quite "unbalanced" R G B values in order to obtain this
>result and after the answer print you need one/more correction prints.
>You might need slightly different color corrections for shots that
>vary in densities/contrast. B/w images on color stock will never be
>totally neutral as if they were printed on b/w stock, but you can get
>pretty good results, and often only the trained eyes of a grader would
>spot the difference. Good luck with your print!
>
>Best,
>Daniela Currò
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Shumona Goel <shumonagoel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> I am trying to print a 16mm black and white film onto colour stock because
>> there is no black and white print stock available in India, nor is there a
>> lab that would process it. I recently did a test that had a strong magenta
>> tint.
>>
>> Is it even possible to get a black and white image? I am beginning to
>> wonder whether HD projection may just be the only route.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Shumona
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:00 AM, tammy kinsey <tammy.kinsey_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:47 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: ev petrol <epetrol2_at_yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Travelogues
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>>> Hello Adam
>>> this one was shot from the balcony & roof of the hotel i was staying in (i
>>> was in nouakchott for a week); edit approved by the local film-makers though
>>> (wanted to make sure i wasn't misrepresenting ...)
>>> http://www.moiratierney.net/nouakchott.htm (very basic info)
>>> what are you compiling the films for?
>>> cheers Moira
>>>
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>>> www.soluscollective.org
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>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <FrameWorks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:41 PM
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] Travelogues
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello you,
>>>
>>> I am trying to pull together a list of experimental films that either fall
>>> directly under the category of "travelogue" or bear witness to travel and
>>> distance from a point of origin on the part of the filmmaker. These would
>>> not be so much ethnographic works which are part of a sustained cultural
>>> exchange, but films made as a result of the filmmaker "passing through" and
>>> acknowledging the looming spectre/problem/pleasure of "the tourist film".
>>> Warren Sonbert, perhaps John Smith's "The Hotel Diaries"? I'm sure there are
>>> others...but can you name them?
>>>
>>> Thanks/Grazie/Kiitos!
>>>
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>>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:30:55 +0800
>>> From: Gina Marchetti <gina.marchetti_at_gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] CFP/Films ASIAN CINEMA STUDIES SOCIETY
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>>> *ASIAN CINEMA STUDIES SOCIETY CONFERENCE *
>>>
>>> *MARCH 18-20, 2012*
>>>
>>> *THE UNIVERSITY OF HONG KONG*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This meeting of the Asian Cinema Studies Society welcomes paper, poster,
>>> workshop and panel proposals covering all aspects of Asian film and media.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please send proposals of 200-300 words as RTF or WORD attachments to Dr.
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>>> the
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>>> *CALL FOR PAPERS DEADLINE: December 31, 2011*
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>> (Macau), Natalie Wong (HKU), Staci Ford (HKU), Mirana Szeto (HKU), Winnie
>>> Yee (HKU), Ang Sze-wei (HKU), Gina Marchetti (HKU).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:14:15 +0000 (GMT)
>>> From: Jonathan Thomas <cinemametafisica_at_yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Value systems
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com>
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>>> I don't see value as a dated concept, although commodity value is
>>> irrelevant. For me, a work has value when it provokes thought, when it
>>> creates a space to contemplate / meditate on (in the Heideggerian sense) the
>>> world (as experienced, mediated, related, etc.). Although personally I find
>>> formalist, materialist work very appealing, this is contained within an idea
>>> of art as thinking tool over art as object.I do agree, like most people
>>> probably, that large galleries and museums do play safe, but haven't they
>>> always? I always aim for artist-run spaces that engender a much more widely
>>> critical and contextual discourse. 20th century theories of art are not yet
>>> dated and irrelevant, to me at least. There was a lot of it, and we are
>>> still wading through it all, trying to untangle it and assess its relevance.
>>> There has to remain a strand of early 21st century art and theory that
>>> constitutes a critical pause for breath.
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 20/11/11, Bernard Roddy <roddybp_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Bernard Roddy <roddybp_at_yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] Value systems
>>> To: "frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com" <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, 20 November, 2011, 14:06
>>>
>>>
>>> Value as a reference today strikes me as dated. It draws on a period when
>>> art as commodity was an interesting question.
>>> Restrictions on freedom of expression are back. It's time to examine the
>>> renewal of conservativism in media art.
>>> To propose a term for critical study: professional responsibility. Not
>>> the debate between modernist and post-modernist experimental film. Not the
>>> relevance of "avant-garde."
>>>
>>> Performance art's history is really to the point. We see a transformation
>>> of performance art's provocations into not only gallery-safe work but a kind
>>> of artistic administrator's ideal.
>>> Apologies for the obscurity.
>>> Bernie
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>>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:50:58 -0000
>>> From: "David Gryn" <david_at_artprojx.com>
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] Artprojx Cinema: Art Video, Art Basel Miami
>>> Beach, Nov 30 - Dec 4 2011 - invite
>>> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List"
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>>>
>>> Dear Frameworkers - if anyone is in Miami - you are welcome to join us -
>>> these Art Video screenings are Free to all. Best wishes David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Artprojx Cinema: Art Video, Art Basel Miami Beach, Nov 30 - Dec 4 2011.
>>> David Gryn director of London's Artprojx has organised and curated Art
>>> Video, featuring film and video works by today's most exciting international
>>> artists, submitted by the galleries of Art Basel Miami Beach. Specially
>>> organized and commissioned, for the 10th Edition of the Fair, Art Video will
>>> be screened for the first time in the SoundScape Park, on the
>>> 7,000-square-foot outdoor projection wall of the Frank Gehry designed New
>>> World Center, as well as within five viewing pods inside the Miami Beach
>>> Convention Center. Artists selected include: Cory Arcangel, Yael Bartana,
>>> Pierre Bismuth, Slater Bradley, Brice Dellsperger, Tracey Emin, Kota Ezawa,
>>> Dara Friedman, Theaster Gates, Katy Grannan, Neil Hamon, Alex Hubbard,
>>> Christian Jankowski, Cristina Lucas, Ryan McGinley, Marilyn Minter, Laurel
>>> Nakadate, Rashaad Newsome, Hans Op de Beeck, Martha Rosler, Matt Saunders,
>>> Lorna Simpson, Penny Siopis, Clemens von Wedemeyer. See the full programme
>>> at http://www.artbaselmiamibeach.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> David Gryn / Artprojx
>>> artprojx_at_gmail.com
>>> http://www.artprojx.com
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:28:22 +0000
>>> From: "Gawthrop, Rob" <Rob.Gawthrop_at_falmouth.ac.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Value systems
>>> To: Bernard Roddy <roddybp_at_yahoo.com>, Experimental Film Discussion
>>> List <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com>
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>>> The point I was making in my question followed on from Fred’s posting that
>>> included:
>>>
>>> It seems to be entirely acceptable and unquestioned on this list to post
>>> that some or all forms of video projection look like crap ... As a format
>>> for presenting film, it is, of course, imperfect, as I myself argued almost
>>> three decades ago, though that was in the days of VHS, a lot worse than more
>>> recent formats.
>>>
>>> Assumptions about ‘quality’ need to be challenged. Issues around
>>> ‘quality’ are based upon value systems which in themselves operate
>>> ideologically. Can the politics be seperated from the aesthetics? This
>>> seems entirely relevent as we watch evictions of the Occupations - and that
>>> doesn’t mean I’m advocating literalism - just putting my original question
>>> into context.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/11/2011 16:47, "Bernard Roddy" <roddybp_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh and . . this encounter with a provocative work tends to draw ALL
>>> attention to it AS provocation, to the detriment of the work. That's the
>>> real price of a restrictive environment. It' s not just a price paid in
>>> terms of the interest new work generates. It's certainly not just a
>>> question of having some kind of political "impact." The greatest price is
>>> that of interpretation. You get really dumb fixations on work if there
>>> isn't a serious investigation of what gets passed off as "provocation."
>>>
>>> Bernie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Bernard Roddy <roddybp_at_yahoo.com>
>>> To: "frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com" <frameworks_at_jonasmekasfilms.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:06 AM
>>> Subject: [Frameworks] Value systems
>>>
>>>
>>> Value as a reference today strikes me as dated. It draws on a period when
>>> art as commodity was an interesting question.
>>>
>>> Restrictions on freedom of expression are back. It's time to examine the
>>> renewal of conservativism in media art.
>>>
>>> To propose a term for critical study: professional responsibility. Not
>>> the debate between modernist and post-modernist experimental film. Not the
>>> relevance of "avant-garde."
>>>
>>> Performance art's history is really to the point. We see a transformation
>>> of performance art's provocations into not only gallery-safe work but a kind
>>> of artistic administrator's ideal.
>>>
>>> Apologies for the obscurity.
>>>
>>> Bernie
>>>
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