From: jarrod whaley. (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Mar 10 2006 - 23:36:23 PST
So you would argue that there's no difference between being an
experimental filmmaker and being a recreational fisherman, for example?
-->jarrod whaley.
filmmaker. videographer.
web designer. educator.
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Jason Halprin wrote:
> >From the Oxford American Dictionary:
>
> hobby - an occupation that a person does for pleasure, not as his main
> business
>
> I never insuated that dedicating your life and energy to something that
> is not financially rewarding does cannot have serious rewards. I just
> mean that teaching, currating, working in a post house, working in the
> film/television industry, and other jobs that many on this list do are
> not making a living from your filmmaking. They are working a job, your
> filmmaking is supported by this other job.
>
> I personally find it insulting that the extremely hard work that some
> people have put in to create venues and organizations that promote A/G
> work is so easily dismissed as self-serving.
>
> -Jason Halprin
>
> --- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>
>> Jason Halprin wrote:
>>
>>> One of the basic facts that exists for many A/G film and video
>>>
>> makers
>>
>>> (in the US and elsewhere, though not everywhere) is that they will
>>> never recoup the costs that are associated with their work, let
>>>
>> alone
>>
>>> turn it into a full-time profession. As such it is more accuratley
>>> described as a hobby, and hobbies are money-losing ventures.
>>>
>>>
>> Baloney. One might not accumulate riches on par with the Sultan of
>> Brunei, but many "underground" or "avant-garde" filmmakers can and do
>>
>> scratch out a meager existence. It just takes a little creativity,
>> and
>> the willingness to realize that good work doesn't have to cost a
>> penny,
>> if necessary, to make.
>>
>> I find this "hobby" business of yours very insulting. Dedicating
>> one's
>> life and energy to an often financially unrewarding (but often
>> financially "livable") form of creativity is not on the same level of
>>
>> engagement and/or social worth as collecting Star Wars action figures
>> or
>> building model planes. Be careful with that glue, it's dangerous
>> stuff,
>> you know.
>>
>>> If you are against paying fees, look for free festivals. Or
>>>
>> volunteer
>>
>>> for one so that your labor may bring down the fees for that
>>>
>> festival.
>>
>>> Write the grant proposals, talk to donors, make press releases,
>>>
>> pass
>>
>>> out flyers, get on the radio, do whatever it takes. It is already
>>> difficult for most of us the share our work with people we don't
>>> personally know, so if festivals are not a necessity, they are a
>>>
>> luxury
>>
>>> I believe is worth paying for.
>>>
>>>
>> If you think it's worth paying for someone to potentially throw your
>> work away and never tell you, then go ahead. Wipe your ass with $100
>> bills, for all I care. I just happen to find Charmin to be much more
>> cost efficient, not to mention less irritating to my sensitive bits.
>>
>> -->jarrod whaley.
>> filmmaker. videographer.
>> web designer. educator.
>> www.oakstreetfilms.com
>> www.shakingray.com
>> design.oakstreetfilms.com
>>
>>
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