From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Jun 27 2006 - 15:56:49 PDT
words are oxymorons not persons
some 'films' use both digital and film
- come on now -
plus she was 'having fun' w/ telling individuals how to/to not label (speak
of)
themselves as makers - not films
IHHO
c
On 6/27/06, Pip Chodorov <email suppressed> wrote:
>
> I don't think it's that complicated.
> A film is a film and a DVD of a film is a DVD of a film.
> A video is a video and a DVD of a video is a DVD of a video.
> And a kinescope (on film) of a video is a film of a video, etc.
> A reproduction is a reproduction.
> Hope that's not too Gertrude Stein for you.
> We have no trouble calling musicians
> acoustic-guitar players or electric-guitar
> players, then there are those who go back and
> forth, then the occasional electric-guitar
> players who do a special "unplugged" performance,
> and then there are those who play electric
> guitars with no amplifiers while they're sitting
> on the toilet, acoustically. There is no
> confusion, and the world is quite happy with the
> words that we use. So why should "digital film"
> cause such an uproar? Obviously the person who
> says "digital film" is an oxy-moron.
> -Pip Chodorov
>
>
>
>
>
> >This is a very interesting discussion. :)
> >
> >I think that the term "film" is far beyond the material context.
> >
> >Otherwise we would have a really complex
> >situation when a DVD-version (or VHS, LD, HD...)
> >of a film wouldn't be a film. Surely it _is_
> >only a re-presentation (and a manipulated one,
> >more or less depending on the format), but that
> >is what cinema has allways been (and there's
> >allways a certain degree of manipulation).
> >
> >Björn Lundgren
> >Sweden
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "k. a.r." <email suppressed>
> >To: <email suppressed>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:16 PM
> >Subject: labels
> >
> >>hey there. somewhere in the barrage of posts,
> >>somebody wrote about not just calling ourselves
> >>filmmakers anymore.
> >>I think, if you work in film, call yourself a filmmmaker.
> >>
> >>if you work in video, call yourself whatever
> >>you think applies, but DON'T call yourself a
> >>filmmaker.
> >>
> >>One of my co-workers described himself as a
> >>"Digital Cinematographer" , and stated
> >>adamently that he was NOT a filmmaker because
> >>he didnt work with film.
> >>
> >>Myself personally, I like to tell people I am an experimental
> exhibitionist.
> >>
> >>(haha, but I really do tell people that......)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Kristie Reinders, B.F.A.
> >>Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions
> >>Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project
> >>The Mission, San Francisco, CA
> >>415-863-1154
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
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