From: Sherri Kauk (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Aug 10 2006 - 01:07:36 PDT
On 8/9/06, FRAMEWORKS automatic digest system <email suppressed> wrote:
> There are 12 messages totalling 528 lines in this issue.
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> Topics in this special issue:
>
> 1. Frampton How-To
> 2. Kenneth Anger restorations (4)
> 3. pillarboxing?
> 4. pillarboxing.
> 5. Kenneth Anger Influences (2)
> 6. video performance artist at wikipedia
> 7. quick mini dv tapes (2)
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:32:25 +0200
> From: Pip Chodorov <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: Frampton How-To
>
> >
> >
> >Its a 750KB Quicktime (240 x 180 MPEG-4) and I'd attach it here but
> >I don't want to clog up FRAMEWORKS. So if you like I'll send it to
> >you (or anyone else). Or if Pip says put it through, I'll send it
> >out universally.
>
> Bill,
> funny idea!
> Send it to me and I'll make it available on my re-voir website, and
> post a link on FrameWorks.
> Thanks,
> Pip
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:50:36 -0700
> From: Freya <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: Kenneth Anger restorations
>
> Maybe it was the influence of "A midsummer nights
> dream" which Kenneth allegedly starred in rather than
> the oz film that was an influence?
>
> Actually I can't entirely see that much of Oz in
> pleasure dome, but theres definitely the influence of
> other mainstream Hollywood movies in there. Rabbits
> Moon seems more like it could be influenced by the
> wizard of oz, but Inauguration seems to have been more
> influenced by whatever things were influencing the
> likes of Puce Moment. Oz and Rabbits Moon are all sets
> and in your face artifice whereas Inauguration has
> gone quite far away from that and is more of a film
> shot on location, even if that is probably a calfully
> designed location.
>
> To be fair to the oz film I really like the painted
> sets, and I like the storyline and various aspects.
> It's mostly the acting and some of the more musical
> aspects of the film which are a horrible. Also where I
> live, this film was traditionally shown, over, and
> over, and over, and over again on the television.
>
> Anyway, I can basically easily imagine Inauguration
> without the wizard of oz. I honestly can't connect the
> two in my mind very much at all.
>
> I guess I must be seeing the film a different way to
> yourself.
>
> love
>
> Freya
>
> --- Sam Wells <email suppressed> wrote:
>
> > Freya, I can't even imagine Pleasure Dome W/O The
> > Wizard Of Oz as
> > precedent.
> >
> > IMO.
> >
> >
> > -Sam
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:53:30 -0500
> From: Jeff Kreines <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: pillarboxing?
>
> On Aug 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Freya wrote:
>
> > Don't know if that helps, maybe Jeff will pop up and
> > give a better explanation if mine is rubbish. :)
>
> No, Freya's explanation is perfect.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:06:25 -0400
> From: "Pierce, Greg" <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: pillarboxing.
>
> Thanks, you two.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Experimental Film Discussion List
> [mailto:email suppressed]On Behalf Of Jeff Kreines
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:54 PM
> To: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: pillarboxing?
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Freya wrote:
>
> > Don't know if that helps, maybe Jeff will pop up and
> > give a better explanation if mine is rubbish. :)
>
> No, Freya's explanation is perfect.
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:11:36 -0500
> From: Jeff Kreines <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: Kenneth Anger restorations
>
> On Aug 9, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Freya wrote:
>
> > Maybe it was the influence of "A midsummer nights
> > dream" which Kenneth allegedly starred in rather than
> > the oz film that was an influence?
>
>
> He's there! In lovely soft-focus cinematography -- Mickey Rooney's
> best performance, too. I recall seeing a hand-tinted clip he used to
> show, I believe I projected a showing of his at the Art Institute in
> '71, perhaps in Brakhage's class. I recall him wearing, as he put
> it, "pre-war tweed."
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:16:26 -0700
> From: Freya <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: Kenneth Anger Influences
>
> Actually tho, this raises some interesting questions,
> while I can't see the wizard of oz as a big influence
> on Pleasure Dome, I'm not sure what might be?
>
> Theres something a bit sunset boulevard about it all.
> (Tho Puce Moment notably precedes that film)
>
> I wonder about films like Samson and Delilah and
> Cleopatra by Cecil B. DeMille?
>
> Can anyone else offer any suggestions? I assume
> Kenneth Anger has never talked about this subject
> himself?
>
> As such an influential filmaker you tend to think
> about the films that have been influenced by his work
> not the other way round.
>
> It's an interesting question.
>
> love
>
> Freya
>
> --- Sam Wells <email suppressed> wrote:
>
> > Freya, I can't even imagine Pleasure Dome W/O The
> > Wizard Of Oz as
> > precedent.
> >
> > IMO.
> >
> >
> > -Sam
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________________
> > For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at
> > <email suppressed>.
> >
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:47:34 +0200
> From: Gary Berendsen <email suppressed>
> Subject: video performance artist at wikipedia
>
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> Seems very bland.
> I would like to make this a decent article.
>
> It mainly seems to be VJ's at the moment.
>
> How to split this,
> regions, style, countries, medium, size of audience?
>
> I would like to see more video performance in there as well.
>
> Would'nt bill viola and stellarc be listed in the same same place?
>
> Just want this good....
>
> I was thinking about doing the general description and then splitting by
> region.
>
>
> your thoughts
>
>
> gary
>
>
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> Seems very bland.<br>I would like to make this a decent article.<br><br>It mainly seems to be VJ's at the moment.<br><br>How to split this,<br>regions, style, countries, medium, size of audience?<br><br>I would like to see more video performance in there as well.
> <br><br>Would'nt bill viola and stellarc be listed in the same same place?<br><br>Just want this good....<br><br>I was thinking about doing the general description and then splitting by region.<br><br><br>your thoughts<br>
> <br><br>gary<br><br clear="all"><br><br><br>
> <p>
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> <p>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:27:12 -0400
> From: Sam Wells <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: Kenneth Anger Influences
>
> The whole Anger Enterprise is Ozian ;-)
>
> Freya, have you not read "Hollywood Babylon" ??
>
> (I talked about it a length, I'd say...)
>
> You can't see Oz in "Lucifer Rising" either ?
>
> Isn't everyone in Hollywood, not to mention "Inauguration Of The
> Pleasure Dome" sort of off to see the Wizard ? ;-)
>
> (If you wanted a "strictly formal" chain of influence, then I'd cite
> Murnau, Faust & Nosferatu; also - I'd suggest - Watson & Weber)
>
>
> >
> > I wonder about films like Samson and Delilah and
> > Cleopatra by Cecil B. DeMille?
> >
> > Can anyone else offer any suggestions? I assume
> > Kenneth Anger has never talked about this subject
> > himself?
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:49:39 -0700
> From: db <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: Kenneth Anger restorations
>
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> Not that we should determine our film choices by the tastes of
> others... but Derek Jarman cited WOZ as one of his favorite (if not
> all-time favorite) films.
>
> db
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Freya wrote:
>
> > To be fair to the oz film I really like the painted
> > sets, and I like the storyline and various aspects.
> > It's mostly the acting and some of the more musical
> > aspects of the film which are a horrible. Also where I
> > live, this film was traditionally shown, over, and
> > over, and over, and over again on the television.
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:55:07 -0700
> From: db <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: Kenneth Anger restorations
>
> I know I've seen a still of a cherubic curly haired (ala Mary
> Pickford) picture of Anger's appearance in AMSND somewhere. In the
> "Anger" book? Hollywood Babylon? He looks very puckish, or at least
> quite impish, in that picture. Anyway, I don't think it is merely
> alleged that he appeared in that film.
>
> db
>
> On Aug 9, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Jeff Kreines wrote:
>
> > On Aug 9, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Freya wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe it was the influence of "A midsummer nights
> >> dream" which Kenneth allegedly starred in rather than
> >> the oz film that was an influence?
> >
> >
> > He's there! In lovely soft-focus cinematography -- Mickey Rooney's
> > best performance, too. I recall seeing a hand-tinted clip he used
> > to show, I believe I projected a showing of his at the Art
> > Institute in '71, perhaps in Brakhage's class. I recall him
> > wearing, as he put it, "pre-war tweed."
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________
> > For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:33:53 -0700
> From: "k. a.r." <email suppressed>
> Subject: quick mini dv tapes
>
> anybody know where there is a place in san francisco to buy a bunch of mini
> dv tapes? I dont want to pay retail and I dont have time to order any off
> the internet...
> your help greatly appreciated, as always.
>
> k.
>
>
> Kristie Reinders, B.F.A.
> Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions
> Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project
> The Mission, San Francisco, CA
> 415-863-1154
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:57:26 +0000
> From: Rick Prelinger <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: quick mini dv tapes
>
> Comtel, Folsom st between 8th and 9th, north side.
>
> Rick
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "k. a.r." <email suppressed>
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:33:53
> To:email suppressed
> Subject: quick mini dv tapes
>
> anybody know where there is a place in san francisco to buy a bunch of mini
> dv tapes? I dont want to pay retail and I dont have time to order any off
> the internet...
> your help greatly appreciated, as always.
>
> k.
>
>
> Kristie Reinders, B.F.A.
> Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions
> Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project
> The Mission, San Francisco, CA
> 415-863-1154
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> For info on FrameWorks, contact Pip Chodorov at <email suppressed>.
>
>
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