From: Ken Bawcom (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Feb 11 2007 - 18:11:01 PST
I am of course, aware of the 'connection' between these two, very
different, and very good films. Since they ARE so different, it makes
me "lol" when people compare them, as they often do. I enjoy them both
very much.
For Sam, about "Pursued," the title pretty much sums up the plot.
Mitchum is aware that there is something sinister in his
childhood/past, he is being hidden out, and someone(s) are after him,
but he does not know why. Still he has grown to be an amiable, good
person, but must discover, and confront, the 'demons' that pursue him,
pretty much on his own, with not much in the way of allies.
Ken B.
Quoting Cari Machet <email suppressed>:
> "twelve monkey's"
> lol
>
> "le jette"
>
> c
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> On 2/11/07, Ken Bawcom <email suppressed> wrote:
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>> I'm a film noir fan, and of course, individualism is what film noir is
>> all about. For a modern film, "Memento" springs to mind. Classics, like
>> "Out of the Past," and "D.O.A." are well known examples. Two underrated
>> and lesser know favorites of mine are both film noir westerns, starring
>> Robert Mitchum. They are "Pursued," and "Blood on the Moon." For modern
>> sci fi, I can't think of better examples than "Twelve Monkeys," and
>> "Blade Runner." I could go on and on, but you get the idea.
>>
>> Ken B.
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>> Quoting gyoungblood <email suppressed>:
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>> > Thanks Jack. That's a very helpful list. You couldn't do better even
>> > if I went into greater detail of what I'm looking for. If anyone can
>> > think of other titles from the last decade, or classic beloved titles
>> > from any era, please send them on.
>> >
>> > The thesis underlying this search is hardly original: namely, that
>> > individualism works against the exercise of collective political will
>> > and is, therefore, essential for social control in so-called
>> > democracies. My contibution is to suggest that, given the current
>> > historically unprecedented need for global collective action,
>> > individualist socialization amounts to a crime against humanity. I
>> > have no time to discuss this any further on Frameworks. I just want
>> > help in assembling a list of those movies so that I can consign them,
>> > and would-be makers of similar narratives, to imperialist hell.
>> > Thanks again...
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Jack Sargeant
>> > To: email suppressed
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:59 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [FRAMEWORKS] individualism in films
>> >
>> >
>> > I think perhaps some more thorough / in-depth details of what you
>> > need may help, but, in terms of what I think you want (all recent
>> > titles):
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>> >
>> > Children of Men - one pregnant girl and an old lefty fight to save
>> > humanity from dystopic end
>> > V For Vendetta - one man starts a revolution against fascist
>> > government thanks to inspiring pranks, interestingly the
>> > revolutionaries all adopt his identity which may not help your thesis.
>> > Borat - in the film Borat makes his country 'modern' having learned
>> > from his trip to USA
>> > The Queen - Blair saves royal family and Britain
>> > The Departed - one man alone against organized crime
>> > Shortbus - one nightclub and one woman's search for an orgasm
>> > suggest that there is hope for the wider tragedies of modern world
>> > Marie Antoinette - one woman takes on the weight of two nations and
>> > parties then discovers responsibility at the end
>> > Manderlay - one woman takes on the weight of history and slavery
>> > Happy Feet - one penguin faces the ocean and international fishing
>> > industries to save fish for penguins, interestingly he teaches the
>> > other penguins the importance of collective action so this my not fit
>> > entirely, but for 99% of the film he is the loner.
>> >
>> >
>> > God knows what this list says about my recent viewing habits, I
>> > promise I also attend all the art house and avant garde screenings as
>> > well!
>> >
>> >
>> > am I the first person to write about Happy Feet and Borat on
>> Frameworks?
>> >
>> >
>> > Jack
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>> > On 7 Feb 2007, at 06:01, gyoungblood wrote:
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>> > Frameworkers,
>> > I posted this request during the Christmas holiday and got only
>> > one response. So, thinking that was not the best time to ask, I'm
>> > doing it again now. I'm trying to assemble a list of feature films in
>> > which collective problems are presented and resolved on the personal,
>> > individual level. Of course that's 99.9% of all Hollywood films
>> > (Frank Capra, "Casablanca," "The Insider" are examples). I'm looking
>> > for recent titles, the more admired the better. Your input will be
>> > greatly appreciated, and will contribute to my documentary project on
>> > the role of industrial cinema in socialization and social control.
>> >
>> >
>> > Gene Youngblood
>> > Department of Moving Image Arts
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>> "Those who would give up essential liberty
>> to purchase a little temporary safety
>> deserve neither liberty, nor safety."
>> Benjamin Franklin 1775
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>> "I know that the hypnotized never lie... Do ya?"
>> Pete Townshend 1971
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Pete Townshend 1971
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