From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Jan 08 2008 - 18:15:29 PST
Thanks Steven!
I'm up't North right now still but I may just do that!
William Rose was suggesting this to me only a few
months ago. It sounds like an exciting place if you
will have me. :)
I worked out about cinenova after Dr Wees told me the
page numbers to read! *giggle* Lately I feel like I'm
only half awake I'm so out of it. Oh well, I hope the
other half is still having a good dream!
love
Freya
--- Steven Ball <email suppressed> wrote:
> Freya,
>
> If you're in London come and see us at the British
> Artists' Film and
> Video Study Collection (see
> www.studycollection.org.uk) at Central St
> Martins, we have a lot of material.
>
> Re Circles, you know it became Cinenova which is
> still in existence,
> see:
> http://www.cinenova.org.uk
>
> Steven Ball
>
> On 8 Jan 2008, at 22:39, Freya wrote:
>
> > Danni I love you! Thanks! :)
> >
> > I've already learned some intresting things from
> there
> > too.
> >
> > This experimental film thing is certainly a
> > complicated affair! I never thought when I started
> > looking into it that I would find out so many
> things.
> > I feel a bit like I've fallen down the rabbit
> hole.
> >
> > I found that with many things lately, theres
> always
> > such a wealth of things below the surface. Some of
> the
> > stuff I've stumbled into lately has really shocked
> me
> > to the core, so all the experimental film stuff
> > shouldn't suprise me so much.
> >
> > I guess I've somehow over the years moved the
> world
> > that exists in my imagination, closer to the world
> the
> > way I would like it to be, as opposed to the way
> that
> > it really is. IYSWIM.
> >
> > Apart from the David Curtis book, I'm also finding
> > "Experimental Cinema in the digital age"
> incredibly
> > useful. Malcolm Le Grice seems to have sort of
> > accepted the role of Arch Villan in it all and
> then
> > goes about documenting it!
> >
> > It's really useful because you get all kinds of
> > different views in one book. Sadly theres not a
> > feminist critique of Malcolm in there ;) which is
> why
> > I'd like to track down some more information about
> > circles. It seems from the stuff that David Curtis
> > writes about that there was a whole bunch of stuff
> > that arose from "Film as Film", it's a shame that
> > there wasn't a documented debate of some sort.
> > Obviously that would be out of the scope of
> David's
> > book but it would have been so good to have had
> > something like that in Malcolms book. I imagine
> that
> > Malcolm feels like he has been fed to the lions
> enough
> > times already however! ;)
> >
> > I wish I had found Peter Gidal's book at the start
> of
> > my research because it's not an easy read (first
> word
> > I read was adumbrated) and I'm really feeling
> booked
> > out. I'm going to have to find a way to watch MTV
> for
> > a couple of days or something to recover! ;) He
> seems
> > to be the man to go to if you want a lot of
> political
> > theory however. He also seems to be quite a Pan
> like
> > figure. Very mischevious. Do you think he called
> the
> > book "Materialist film" to annoy the hell out of
> > Malcolm? ;)
> >
> > Anyway, it's kind of nice to see all these
> different
> > viewpoints and it's really good that they are
> being at
> > least partly documented. It's a shame that
> everyone
> > can't work together more and make a diverse
> > alternative cinematic space, (theres so few people
> > into this stuff already) but maybe that is
> something
> > that just needs to evolve over time.
> >
> > I'm drifting into book reviews almost which I'll
> save
> > for another day.
> >
> > love
> >
> > Freya
> >
> >
> > --- Danni Zuvela <email suppressed> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Freya
> >>
> >> Happily there's recently been some extensive
> >> research into the history of
> >> alternative film and video distribution in the UK
> by
> >> Julia Knight and Peter
> >> Thomas. Check it out:
> >>
> >> http://alt-fv-distribution.net/papers.html
> >>
> >> Book will be too late for you but there are
> papers
> >> aplenty here - good luck
> >> writing yours
> >>
> >> danni
> >>
> >> On Jan 9, 2008 3:41 AM, Freya
> <email suppressed>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm presently working on my dissertation which I
> >> now
> >>> have less than a week to write! Yay! ;)
> >>>
> >>> While reasearching I have frequently come across
> >>> referances to "circles". The group is mentioned
> a
> >> few
> >>> times in the David Curtis book "A history of..."
> >> and
> >>> I've just opened the Peter Gidal book
> "Materialist
> >>> Film" for the first time and seen a referance
> >> there
> >>> too.
> >>>
> >>> From what I can tell neither book seems to have
> >> any
> >>> details about the group and so far I havn't
> >> managed to
> >>> find any information. Does anyone here know
> more,
> >>> either suggested books where I might read about
> >> the
> >>> group or even personal experiences of anyone who
> >> knew
> >>> anything about the group, or even failing that
> if
> >>> anyone who knows of someone who might have been
> >>> involved who I could contact briefly to chat
> about
> >> it?
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps if anyone even knows how I could contact
> >> Lis
> >>> Rhodes who was apparently a founder according to
> >> the
> >>> Lux website?
> >>>
> >>> Any information would be welcome. I know
> virtually
> >>> nothing about the group, including even if it is
> >> still
> >>> going or if not what happened to it. It's
> >> intresting
> >>> because I knew quite a bit about the film co-op
> >> and
> >>> even a tiny bit about the free cinema movement
> but
> >> I'd
> >>> not even heard about circles till it was
> mentioned
> >> in
> >>> these books.
> >>>
> >>> I've come across some amazing and wonderful
> books
> >> in
> >>> my reasearch and will be telling you more about
> >> them
> >>> soon when I have a bit of a moment (er now is
> not
> >> a
> >>> good time!) ;) but if I had one big criticism of
> >> the
> >>> David Curtis book (which I'm loving actually!)
> >> it's
> >>> that it seems to stress the importance of
> circles
> >> a
> >>> few times but then doesn't really tell us
> anything
> >>> about it or its history.
> >>>
> >>> Also if it's not being too greedy, if anyone
> wants
> >> to
> >>> tell me more about London Video Arts, I'd love
> to
> >> hear
> >>> about it. I know a little but would love to know
> >> more!
> >>> That's less important tho, although I guess it
> >> might
> >>> also be useful but I'm mostly just really,
> really
> >>> curious about it. ;)
> >>>
> >>> Hope someone can help in any way. I might just
> not
> >> be
> >>> looking in the right places!
> >>>
> >>> love
> >>>
> >>> Freya
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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