From: Adam Hyman (email suppressed)
Date: Fri Jul 04 2008 - 08:14:53 PDT
The "Undesirables" reading over black was from a poem, the poet I'm blanking
on. It is explicit & lengthy but I also think it's a remarkable piece of
text. Also references the start of Frampton's "Critical Mass" with its
section of dialogue over black, although the nature of the text is so
completely different from the Frampton. And that text was the first part of
the epilogue, with the "Wavelength" pastiche, so yes, I think it hasn't
shown before - they were together on the DVD from which it screened.
Owen said that he had multiple segments for "Undesirables" as well but he
might not edit or complete any more, and might leave it as is.
On 7/4/08 1:28 AM, "Mark Toscano" <email suppressed> wrote:
> I can't wait to see the complete Dialogues. The one episode (Why Do We
> Disrespect Our Genitals?) was only a taste of the larger piece, which
> apparently will contain anywhere between 36 and 50 short episodes (I've heard
> both numbers, so I don't know which is correct). Owen says it's 95% shot,
> with mainly just editing to deal with now. It's supposed to premiere in Bern,
> Switzerland in April. Anyhow, Adam described what happens in it pretty well,
> except he neglected to mention the Cat Stevens song, the bicycle/Harley race,
> and the eye-level table designed for providing a better view of the female
> protagonist's crotch.
>
> Morgan Fisher told me (told to him by Owen) that another sequence apparently
> has Morgan as a character, and someone tells him he's a nerd. Morgan thought
> this was extremely funny.
>
> I really like the idea of it being comprised of a bunch of multifarious parts
> that could be viewed as individual works, as well as in potentially different
> orderings to make up the complete whole. Although perhaps I agree somewhat
> with Adam that as a standalone piece, "...Genitals?" didn't completely blow me
> away, I nevertheless enjoyed it very much, and found its tone, humor, and
> approach decidedly Owen's, which was both refreshing and very exciting, to
> have him actively making films again, and without having lost his powerfully
> unique sensibilities.
>
> I think Undesirables is basically the fragmentary, episodic piece that showed
> around a little bit, with the exception of the extra Wavelength sequence now
> making up its epilogue (?) Also, (Adam - correct me if I'm wrong), but there
> was also the pornographic sequence that accompanied the Wavelength bit - a
> woman somewhat relentlessly and dispassionately reading a pretty explicit
> text, over black. So I guess there are two sections that were not part of the
> already-circulated version of the piece.
>
> Owen's on Frameworks sometimes. Owen, if you're reading this, I was a little
> unclear on one thing - the 'Undesirables (condensed version)' that you showed
> at Filmforum, is this as far as you plan to take this piece?
>
> Mark T
>
> p.s. Thought I'd share this too - On the previous Friday, George and Mike
> Kuchar were in town for a show at the LA Film Festival. I talked to George,
> and mentioned Owen's show, in case he was still going to be in town and would
> want to check it out. I told him one of the pieces was called "Why Do We
> Disrespect Our Genitals?", to which he responded, without pause, "I don't
> disrespect MY genitals."
>
> --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Adam Hyman <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> From: Adam Hyman <email suppressed>
>> Subject: Re: [FRAMEWORKS] Land's new works
>> To: email suppressed
>> Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 8:02 AM
>> Yes, I¹d say Mark & me.
>> They are funny & good, although rough and not really
>> out put suitably for
>> screenings yet.
>> ³Undesirables² includes pastiches of a variety of classic
>> avant-garde films,
>> which for me work to differing degrees. The concluding
>> one, pastiche of
>> ³wavelength² not so much; earlier pieces, including
>> pastiches of
>> ³Thanatopsis² and ³Critical Mass² (which is why we
>> included them) and
>> ³<--->² more so, usually due to the play of
>> language and performer and other
>> tensions set up in the scenes, which were very different
>> from the films
>> being referenced. Very good.
>>
>> ³Why do we disrespect our genitals?¹ is a shorter amusing
>> piece about the
>> attraction & tension between a sexy motorcycle-riding
>> woman and the devout
>> restrained Christian man, with the script seen visually on
>> screen. For me a
>> more straightforward expression of that dialogue as he
>> describes. I don¹t
>> think this one is as essential, but it was fine.
>> http://lafilmforum.wordpress.com/
>>
>> More reflection to come.
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/08 9:42 PM, "andrew lampert"
>> <email suppressed> wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious who on this list might have a brief
>> review following the
>>> screening at LA Film Forum. Adam Hyman? Mark Toscano?
>> LA frameworkers?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> A.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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