From: Caroline Koebel (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Sep 06 2008 - 15:48:22 PDT
Just to set the record straight, the filmmaker's name is....
Chantal Akerman
On 9/5/08 12:01 PM, "Freya" <email suppressed> wrote:
> See that proves my point! ;)
>
> You bring up a good point about seeing the film in 1973 tho!
> I meant to say a film I saw recently (on Saturday in fact!) rather than a
> recent film. It was in fact the oldest film being shown of hers.
>
> Apart from the extreme heat I had a great time. I saw a video where she talks
> to her mother, a multi channel film/video thing that seemed to be about
> smoking (but was actually about film noir), I liked that one a lot. and the
> hotel thing. There was also an installation thing with text which was my least
> favourite as I'm more of a cinematic kind of girl but even with that I liked
> the space that was created.
>
> I had a free drink too which was nice.
>
> I would have stayed longer but my friend had had enough which is always the
> trouble with going to see experimental films with friends. Still it's nice to
> watch films with friends too and I really enjoyed it all. :)
>
> love
>
> Freya
>
> --- On Fri, 9/5/08, ellie epp <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> From: ellie epp <email suppressed>
>> Subject: Re: Welcome!
>> To: email suppressed
>> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 3:40 PM
>> around about 1973 chantale ackerman's hotel monterray -
>> it was shot by babette mongolte - pushed me to make films.
>>
>> email suppressed wrote:
>>> Dear Fred,
>>> I don't want to dash your hopes but I've
>> actually seen some of
>>> satantango. There was a divx on a friends computer
>> that was left there
>>> by her ex boyfriend. Unfortunately he had only
>> downloaded part 4 or
>>> something. I do remember however that it featured some
>> extensive shots
>>> of a cow and some barnyard buildings as well as a sort
>> of narrative
>>> bit where two guys go into a bar and try to create a
>> bit of a fuss or
>>> something and everyone ignores them. I have to confess
>> that I didn't
>>> watch part 4 in its entirety, it seemed somewhat
>> futile somehow.
>>>
>>> The thing is however that I can't see how this
>> would help any more
>>> than various films by Andy Warhol or a recent film I
>> saw by Chantel
>>> Ackerman of spaces within a hotel.Perhaps it would
>> help the more
>>> academically inclined but I was actually somewhat
>> enjoying the hotel
>>> film because there were bits that were really good and
>> other bits
>>> which were just awful and made me want to shout out
>> "Chantel what were
>>> you thinking? This is all wrong!", but even the
>> bad bits made me think
>>> about what I would have done differently, and I
>> enjoyed that.I would
>>> have probably stayed and watched it all (over an hour)
>> if I wasn't
>>> with a friend who didn't suffer from such
>> afflictions.
>>>
>>> I've also seen a reel of Empire by Andy Warhol and
>> I loved watching
>>> the people wandering in and out and staring at it and
>> walking away
>>> confused. I also saw a very lovely tape splice during
>> empire which was
>>> my favourite bit and left me threatening to make a
>> whole film of tape
>>> splices for a long time thereafter. (how to lose
>> friends and alienate
>>> people)
>>>
>>> Even worse I suspect that I would probably even revel
>> in a nice 16mm
>>> print of Satantango for its entire duration. It just
>> isn't going to work.
>>>
>>> For the longest time I liked to tell myself that
>> really I was only
>>> into experimental film because it was this tiny little
>> scene that
>>> nobody really knew about and that I could quietly make
>> stuff and
>>> nobody need ever know or would be able to say
>> "Hey Freya, your're not
>>> allowed to make films etc" but having been
>> through absolute hell on
>>> the scene and almost not making it through the last
>> year alive, I had
>>> to face up to the truth.
>>>
>>> Despite the fact that I havn't made an
>> experimental film in about 2
>>> years and that I've not been to much in the way of
>> film screenings
>>> either and that in fact the mere idea of doing such
>> things still makes
>>> me feel a little queasy, the truth of the matter is
>> that I still love
>>> experimental film.
>>>
>>> I KNOW that watching satantango will make no
>> difference.
>>>
>>> I'm resigned now that I will be on this list
>> forever...
>>>
>>> ...or at least until they cut off my electricity
>> anyway.
>>>
>>> love
>>>
>>> Freya
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Fred Davidson
>> <email suppressed> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Fred Davidson <email suppressed>
>>>> Subject: Welcome!
>>>> To: email suppressed
>>>> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 1:33 PM
>>>> Dear Jeffrey Paull,
>>>> On behalf of Pip Chodorov our moderator and
>> the
>>>> official
>>>> welcoming committee, which should be arriving
>> here to
>>>> welcome you
>>>> officially any minute now, I welcome you to the
>> list. Make
>>>> yourself to
>>>> home. Now that we are all on it, all of us want
>> to get off
>>>> of this
>>>> list, but none of us know just how. That is all
>> of us with
>>>> the
>>>> possible exception of our Alan Berliner. Alan
>> Berliner
>>>> hasn't made a
>>>> post to this list in over three years, in over
>> online
>>>> archived
>>>> recorded time, if indeed he ever has. As for the
>> rest of
>>>> us, some of
>>>> us think a way out is by watching all 450 minutes
>> of
>>>> Satantango
>>>> straight through from the beginning to the end.
>> There is a
>>>> lot of hope
>>>> for that now, especially now that Satantango has
>> been made
>>>> available
>>>> for rental from Netflix. But maybe you can help
>> find us
>>>> another way
>>>> out. Here is to hoping and here is to you.
>> I've got to
>>>> run. I've got a
>>>> nine o'clock. See you.
>>>>
>>>> Fred Davidson
>>>> Boca Raton
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:28 AM, JEFFREY PAULL wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings -
>>>>> I just signed up for Frameworks discussion
>> List.
>>>>> Wow! It's about 6am, I just finished
>> brushing my
>>>> teeth, and open my
>>>>> email and here's this whirlwind of
>> serial
>>>> discussion blurts.
>>>>> Many of them seem as abstracted from the
>> ideas they
>>>> represent as the
>>>>> sound bites said by the so-called grown-ups
>> in
>>>> American politics.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I and my sister were little kids, and
>> we got into
>>>> a "discussion",
>>>>> they would, at times, turn into nothing more
>> than,
>>>> "I ALWAYS, and
>>>>> you NEVER . . . . . . ." (or
>> "I
>>>> NEVER, and you
>>>>> ALWAYS . . . . . .")
>>>>> Not helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there are important ideas beyond the
>> scope of
>>>> some one-
>>>>> liners Being posted.
>>>>> Please take the time to really explain your
>> point of
>>>> view.
>>>>> Your text on the monitor screen is so very
>> very
>>>> abstracted from the
>>>>> person who wrote it,
>>>>> you need to open up a bit so your individual
>> presence
>>>> comes through.
>>>>> We need to cut each other some slack, I
>> believe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> JP
>>>> in Toronto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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