From: Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Feb 04 2009 - 08:32:18 PST
actually, i have been sitting on about 1200' of mag stock since the
early 90's or so. i use it to scratch on and then project it as
film, but of course, i can't get much further than that with it
unless i can apply its sonic talents to my work somehow. in
particular i would like to use it in installation. the double-band
projector is definitely the solution (and the Bauer is absolutely
exquisite as both a visual art object and live performer), but of
course i had not even visualized one of these since i first saw them
in film school aeons ago. and i am not certain that i have EVER
before seen that Bauer model. so thank you again and i will keep
your suggestions in mind. now that i can see it in my mind's eye, i
will definitely find it somewhere in the universe...
enjoy today...
Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
www.solislandmediaworks.com
www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:54 AM, marco poloni wrote:
> i am glad you are enjoying this thread. the double-band idea is
> great and as you read seems to work for sure. i am thinking about
> its cost/feasibility, since this involves magnetic tape, finding
> people to process it, the costs of it in a progressively digital
> world, etc...
>
> as to the bauers it's like high-end eiki's. it's about curiosity,
> patience and big wave surfing.. don't hesitate to look on websites
> in japan, germany, since ebay comes short here.
>
> if you find a double-band, ask if they have a second, and/or a
> bauer P8, P8 selecton, P8 T400, i'd buy it right away!
>
> best,
> marco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 7:15 PM
> To: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>
> this thread has been amazing. thank you mat for that fantastic
> list and thank you marco for posting the question.
> i absolutely love the double-band projector idea and am now
> determined to hunt one down for myself, perhaps even more than one
> for a public installation that i am planning.
>
> now, a couple of questions: anyone have any ideas as to where to
> purchase this Bauer beauty or a comparable gem or even where to
> begin the search? i have never seen one of these on ebay.
>
> and... how might one get access to a mag recording machine? i
> have not used mag since way back when, but would love to work with
> it again. this is not something i would necessarily want to buy,
> but any suggestions for who might have a mag recorder that i could
> get to on the east coast of the u.s. and any considerations when
> doing the transfer from digital cd would be awesome. is there a
> studio that offers this service where one can just send a cd and
> get it transferred?
>
> thank you in advance. this list is fabulous!
>
> d
>
> enjoy today...
>
> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>
> www.solislandmediaworks.com
> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:43 PM, marco poloni wrote:
>
>> Hello Mat,
>> Thanks for the indication. This indeed solves problem one,
>> portability. Thanks very much for your offer. I am actually trying
>> to gather my own equipment, and I am indeed on the other side of
>> the sea, so with time I should be able to locate and revamp one of
>> those Bauers. Indeed this is the brand I was thinking about as an
>> alternative to Eikis because their motors, Ihear, are more modern
>> are easier to regulate.
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mat fleming
>> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 4:47 PM
>> To: email suppressed
>> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>>
>> Hi Marco,
>>
>> Maybe you need a 'Bauer Sonorex P6 Studio' projector they are
>> double band and portable. you can see a picture of one herehttp://
>> www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/cinelist.html
>> I have access to one you'd be welcome to borrow, it has a filed
>> gate but not full S16. It is a wonderful machine which will record
>> and play just about any combination of mag
>> soundtrack. They are really heavy though so it might be better for
>> you to try and find one closer to home.
>>
>> Mat
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Nicky Hamlyn
>> <email suppressed> wrote:
>> This is an obvious, old-tec solution:
>>
>> Transfer your sound to 16mm magnetic and use a double-band
>> projector. I realise this may not be what you want and there may
>> be difficulties in getting hold of the mag transfer services or
>> gear, but it will work!
>>
>> Nicky Hamlyn.
>>
>>
>> On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:25, marco poloni wrote:
>>
>> Dear Frameworkers,
>>
>> I am embarking on a technical endeavour which consists of
>> attempting to sync super-16mm film with sound at the projection
>> stage. As you well know S-16mm is a camera film. It has no space
>> for an optical track between the image frames and the sprocket
>> holes. I contacted Martin Sawyer in London, who did a good amount
>> of research in adding a very fine optical track. He got good
>> results, but said it was very difficult to find labs that would
>> process this footage. If I am not mistaken, he abandoned this.
>>
>> I'd like to attempt exploring another route. The idea is first to
>> modify an existing 16m projector by widening the gate's aperture
>> to the "W"type gate of S-16mm. That's the not-too-difficult part.
>> Second, I would have to find someone to crystal-sync the motor via
>> an external "master" device that will also pilot the sound of a
>> CD, MP3 or solid state player to ensure perfect sync.
>>
>> I have done quite some research and have some very technical
>> questions. I am writing in the hope that someone might provide
>> feedback.
>>
>> 1. It seems that syncing DC motors is fairly easy, whereas syncing
>> AC motors would be difficult and costly. A friend recommends using
>> a Bauer P8 projector which uses a DC motor. I am a big fan of
>> Eiki's and am not ready to swap brands. I was wondering if anyone
>> knows whether their drive motors are AC or DC?
>>
>> 2. More specifically, should this be feasible with an Eiki, does
>> anyone have a scanned service manual for an Eiki EX-300SL (or
>> EX-2000)with the electric circuitry? (350W xenon lamp)
>>
>> 3. I have been looking for an Eiki EX-300SL through the usual
>> channels (ebay, ...). It is very difficult to find... Much harder
>> than the more common SSL's. Does anyone know of a place that could
>> have a couple for sale?
>>
>> Thanks a lot beforehand for your input!
>>
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>>
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