From: Nicky Hamlyn (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Feb 04 2009 - 13:55:43 PST
There is, just, an old man doing mag striping in the UK. He can put a
stripe onto 16mm or Super 8:
EVT Magnetics, "Havenhurst", Ticehurst, Wadhurst, TN5 7HE, Kent.
tel: 00 44 1580 200528.
NIcky Hamlyn.
On 4 Feb 2009, at 17:18, mat fleming wrote:
> Perhaps you could stick a strip of your magstock to the edge of a
> hand made film (like a DIY sound stripe) and make sound that way -
> if you can get something recorded onto it. Or just record directly
> onto the edge of scratch film. lots of projectors will read a
> magnetic track on the film (i wonder if there are single band
> projectors that record, like super 8 projectors do?)- not one for
> S16 of course.
>
> Mat
>
> PS we got our Bauer machine from a college that doesn't use film
> anymore. I suppose they were useful in that context because they
> are very versatile and are a compact way of doing work that would
> otherwise take several large machines. Maybe you can find one on a
> shelf in a film coop somewhere.
> Although it's beautiful it's a brutal menace to use.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
> <email suppressed> wrote:
> actually, i have been sitting on about 1200' of mag stock since the
> early 90's or so. i use it to scratch on and then project it as
> film, but of course, i can't get much further than that with it
> unless i can apply its sonic talents to my work somehow. in
> particular i would like to use it in installation. the double-
> band projector is definitely the solution (and the Bauer is
> absolutely exquisite as both a visual art object and live
> performer), but of course i had not even visualized one of these
> since i first saw them in film school aeons ago. and i am not
> certain that i have EVER before seen that Bauer model. so thank
> you again and i will keep your suggestions in mind. now that i can
> see it in my mind's eye, i will definitely find it somewhere in the
> universe...
>
>
> enjoy today...
>
> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>
> www.solislandmediaworks.com
> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>
> On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:54 AM, marco poloni wrote:
>
>> i am glad you are enjoying this thread. the double-band idea is
>> great and as you read seems to work for sure. i am thinking about
>> its cost/feasibility, since this involves magnetic tape, finding
>> people to process it, the costs of it in a progressively digital
>> world, etc...
>>
>> as to the bauers it's like high-end eiki's. it's about curiosity,
>> patience and big wave surfing.. don't hesitate to look on websites
>> in japan, germany, since ebay comes short here.
>>
>> if you find a double-band, ask if they have a second, and/or a
>> bauer P8, P8 selecton, P8 T400, i'd buy it right away!
>>
>> best,
>> marco
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
>> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 7:15 PM
>> To: email suppressed
>> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>>
>> this thread has been amazing. thank you mat for that fantastic
>> list and thank you marco for posting the question.
>> i absolutely love the double-band projector idea and am now
>> determined to hunt one down for myself, perhaps even more than one
>> for a public installation that i am planning.
>>
>> now, a couple of questions: anyone have any ideas as to where to
>> purchase this Bauer beauty or a comparable gem or even where to
>> begin the search? i have never seen one of these on ebay.
>>
>> and... how might one get access to a mag recording machine? i
>> have not used mag since way back when, but would love to work with
>> it again. this is not something i would necessarily want to buy,
>> but any suggestions for who might have a mag recorder that i could
>> get to on the east coast of the u.s. and any considerations when
>> doing the transfer from digital cd would be awesome. is there a
>> studio that offers this service where one can just send a cd and
>> get it transferred?
>>
>> thank you in advance. this list is fabulous!
>>
>> d
>>
>> enjoy today...
>>
>> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
>> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>>
>> www.solislandmediaworks.com
>> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
>> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:43 PM, marco poloni wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Mat,
>>> Thanks for the indication. This indeed solves problem one,
>>> portability. Thanks very much for your offer. I am actually
>>> trying to gather my own equipment, and I am indeed on the other
>>> side of the sea, so with time I should be able to locate and
>>> revamp one of those Bauers. Indeed this is the brand I was
>>> thinking about as an alternative to Eikis because their motors,
>>> Ihear, are more modern are easier to regulate.
>>> Best,
>>> Marco
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mat fleming
>>> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 4:47 PM
>>> To: email suppressed
>>> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>>>
>>> Hi Marco,
>>>
>>> Maybe you need a 'Bauer Sonorex P6 Studio' projector they are
>>> double band and portable. you can see a picture of one
>>> herehttp://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/cinelist.html
>>> I have access to one you'd be welcome to borrow, it has a filed
>>> gate but not full S16. It is a wonderful machine which will
>>> record and play just about any combination of mag
>>> soundtrack. They are really heavy though so it might be better
>>> for you to try and find one closer to home.
>>>
>>> Mat
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Nicky Hamlyn
>>> <email suppressed> wrote:
>>> This is an obvious, old-tec solution:
>>>
>>> Transfer your sound to 16mm magnetic and use a double-band
>>> projector. I realise this may not be what you want and there may
>>> be difficulties in getting hold of the mag transfer services or
>>> gear, but it will work!
>>>
>>> Nicky Hamlyn.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:25, marco poloni wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Frameworkers,
>>>
>>> I am embarking on a technical endeavour which consists of
>>> attempting to sync super-16mm film with sound at the projection
>>> stage. As you well know S-16mm is a camera film. It has no space
>>> for an optical track between the image frames and the sprocket
>>> holes. I contacted Martin Sawyer in London, who did a good amount
>>> of research in adding a very fine optical track. He got good
>>> results, but said it was very difficult to find labs that would
>>> process this footage. If I am not mistaken, he abandoned this.
>>>
>>> I'd like to attempt exploring another route. The idea is first to
>>> modify an existing 16m projector by widening the gate's aperture
>>> to the "W"type gate of S-16mm. That's the not-too-difficult part.
>>> Second, I would have to find someone to crystal-sync the motor
>>> via an external "master" device that will also pilot the sound of
>>> a CD, MP3 or solid state player to ensure perfect sync.
>>>
>>> I have done quite some research and have some very technical
>>> questions. I am writing in the hope that someone might provide
>>> feedback.
>>>
>>> 1. It seems that syncing DC motors is fairly easy, whereas
>>> syncing AC motors would be difficult and costly. A friend
>>> recommends using a Bauer P8 projector which uses a DC motor. I am
>>> a big fan of Eiki's and am not ready to swap brands. I was
>>> wondering if anyone knows whether their drive motors are AC or DC?
>>>
>>> 2. More specifically, should this be feasible with an Eiki, does
>>> anyone have a scanned service manual for an Eiki EX-300SL (or
>>> EX-2000)with the electric circuitry? (350W xenon lamp)
>>>
>>> 3. I have been looking for an Eiki EX-300SL through the usual
>>> channels (ebay, ...). It is very difficult to find... Much harder
>>> than the more common SSL's. Does anyone know of a place that
>>> could have a couple for sale?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot beforehand for your input!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Marco
>>>
>>>
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