From: mat fleming (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Feb 04 2009 - 09:18:38 PST
Perhaps you could stick a strip of your magstock to the edge of a hand made
film (like a DIY sound stripe) and make sound that way - if you can get
something recorded onto it. Or just record directly onto the edge of scratch
film. lots of projectors will read a magnetic track on the film (i wonder if
there are single band projectors that record, like super 8 projectors do?)-
not one for S16 of course.
Mat
PS we got our Bauer machine from a college that doesn't use film anymore. I
suppose they were useful in that context because they are very versatile and
are a compact way of doing work that would otherwise take several large
machines. Maybe you can find one on a shelf in a film coop somewhere.
Although it's beautiful it's a brutal menace to use.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez <
email suppressed> wrote:
> actually, i have been sitting on about 1200' of mag stock since the early
> 90's or so. i use it to scratch on and then project it as film, but of
> course, i can't get much further than that with it unless i can apply its
> sonic talents to my work somehow. in particular i would like to use it in
> installation. the double-band projector is definitely the solution (and
> the Bauer is absolutely exquisite as both a visual art object and live
> performer), but of course i had not even visualized one of these since i
> first saw them in film school aeons ago. and i am not certain that i have
> EVER before seen that Bauer model. so thank you again and i will keep your
> suggestions in mind. now that i can see it in my mind's eye, i will
> definitely find it somewhere in the universe...
>
> enjoy today...
>
> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez <http://www.solislandmediaworks.com>
> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>
> www.solislandmediaworks.com <http://web.mac.com/sol.island/iWeb/>
> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com <http://artcinematic.blogspot.com/><http://cinesthesia.blip.tv>
> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>
> On Feb 3, 2009, at 4:54 AM, marco poloni wrote:
>
> i am glad you are enjoying this thread. the double-band idea is great and
> as you read seems to work for sure. i am thinking about its
> cost/feasibility, since this involves magnetic tape, finding people to
> process it, the costs of it in a progressively digital world, etc...
>
> as to the bauers it's like high-end eiki's. it's about curiosity, patience
> and big wave surfing.. don't hesitate to look on websites in japan, germany,
> since ebay comes short here.
>
> if you find a double-band, ask if they have a second, and/or a bauer P8, P8
> selecton, P8 T400, i'd buy it right away!
>
> best,
> marco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 7:15 PM
> To: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>
> this thread has been amazing. thank you mat for that fantastic list and
> thank you marco for posting the question. i absolutely love the
> double-band projector idea and am now determined to hunt one down for
> myself, perhaps even more than one for a public installation that i am
> planning.
>
> now, a couple of questions: anyone have any ideas as to where to purchase
> this Bauer beauty or a comparable gem or even where to begin the search? i
> have never seen one of these on ebay.
>
> and... how might one get access to a mag recording machine? i have not
> used mag since way back when, but would love to work with it again. this is
> not something i would necessarily want to buy, but any suggestions for who
> might have a mag recorder that i could get to on the east coast of the u.s.
> and any considerations when doing the transfer from digital cd would be
> awesome. is there a studio that offers this service where one can just send
> a cd and get it transferred?
>
> thank you in advance. this list is fabulous!
>
> d
>
> enjoy today...
>
> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez <http://www.solislandmediaworks.com>
> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>
> www.solislandmediaworks.com <http://web.mac.com/sol.island/iWeb/>
> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com <http://artcinematic.blogspot.com/><http://cinesthesia.blip.tv>
> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:43 PM, marco poloni wrote:
>
> Hello Mat,
> Thanks for the indication. This indeed solves problem one, portability.
> Thanks very much for your offer. I am actually trying to gather my own
> equipment, and I am indeed on the other side of the sea, so with time I
> should be able to locate and revamp one of those Bauers. Indeed this is the
> brand I was thinking about as an alternative to Eikis because their motors,
> Ihear, are more modern are easier to regulate.
> Best,
> Marco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mat fleming
> Sent: Feb 2, 2009 4:47 PM
> To: email suppressed
> Subject: Re: syncing sound on super-16mm
>
> Hi Marco,
>
> Maybe you need a 'Bauer Sonorex P6 Studio' projector they are double band
> and portable. you can see a picture of one here
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/cinelist.html
> I have access to one you'd be welcome to borrow, it has a filed gate but
> not full S16. It is a wonderful machine which will record and play just
> about any combination of mag
> soundtrack. They are really heavy though so it might be better for you to
> try and find one closer to home.
>
> Mat
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Nicky Hamlyn <
> email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> This is an obvious, old-tec solution:
>>
>> Transfer your sound to 16mm magnetic and use a double-band projector. I
>> realise this may not be what you want and there may be difficulties in
>> getting hold of the mag transfer services or gear, but it will work!
>>
>> Nicky Hamlyn.
>>
>>
>> On 2 Feb 2009, at 16:25, marco poloni wrote:
>>
>> Dear Frameworkers,
>>>
>>> I am embarking on a technical endeavour which consists of attempting to
>>> sync super-16mm film with sound at the projection stage. As you well know
>>> S-16mm is a camera film. It has no space for an optical track between the
>>> image frames and the sprocket holes. I contacted Martin Sawyer in London,
>>> who did a good amount of research in adding a very fine optical track. He
>>> got good results, but said it was very difficult to find labs that would
>>> process this footage. If I am not mistaken, he abandoned this.
>>>
>>> I'd like to attempt exploring another route. The idea is first to modify
>>> an existing 16m projector by widening the gate's aperture to the "W"type
>>> gate of S-16mm. That's the not-too-difficult part. Second, I would have to
>>> find someone to crystal-sync the motor via an external "master" device that
>>> will also pilot the sound of a CD, MP3 or solid state player to ensure
>>> perfect sync.
>>>
>>> I have done quite some research and have some very technical questions. I
>>> am writing in the hope that someone might provide feedback.
>>>
>>> 1. It seems that syncing DC motors is fairly easy, whereas syncing AC
>>> motors would be difficult and costly. A friend recommends using a Bauer P8
>>> projector which uses a DC motor. I am a big fan of Eiki's and am not ready
>>> to swap brands. I was wondering if anyone knows whether their drive motors
>>> are AC or DC?
>>>
>>> 2. More specifically, should this be feasible with an Eiki, does anyone
>>> have a scanned service manual for an Eiki EX-300SL (or EX-2000)with the
>>> electric circuitry? (350W xenon lamp)
>>>
>>> 3. I have been looking for an Eiki EX-300SL through the usual channels
>>> (ebay, ...). It is very difficult to find... Much harder than the more
>>> common SSL's. Does anyone know of a place that could have a couple for sale?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot beforehand for your input!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Marco
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Marco Poloni, Korsörer Strasse 1, D-10437 Berlin
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>>>
>>>
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