From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Wed Mar 04 2009 - 04:44:58 PST
Myron is spot on. You do the resolution centre thing and in my
experience these people suddenly become a lot more helpful all of a
sudden.It's almost magical! lol.
If they aren't so helpful and you paid by paypal, which I always like
to do on ebay these days, then you raise it to a claim and generally
paypal will then just take the money from their account and give it
back to you and then you run away very very fast, and make a note not
to deal with that seller again.
Don't beat yourself up about being "naieve", it just means that you
look for the positive in people when it is maybe not justified. That's
THEIR problem not yours. Just keep in the back of your head that other
people don't neccesarily think the way you do. There are an awful lot
of Harry and Harriet Limes out there. Have confidence in yourself and
don't be taken in.
...and if you do find yourself constatntly forgiving and making excuses
for people a bit too much, I find a good dose of the film Dogville
helps an awful lot these days. :)
Good luck and I hope you get a speedy resolution.
love
Freya
--- On Wed, 3/4/09, miriam jayne martins sampaio <email suppressed> wrote:
From: miriam jayne martins sampaio <email suppressed>
Subject: Re: Get a refund!!!! RE: [FRAMEWORKS] 8mm versus 16mm
To: email suppressed
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 1:09 AM
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you are right!?! you see i was sure i was not that naive?!?!miriam
Quartz Quarz 2x8S1M USSR 16mm film movie camera, extras
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:54:15 -0500
From: email suppressed
Subject: Re: Get a refund!!!! RE: [FRAMEWORKS] 8mm versus 16mm
To: email suppressed
In
that link you sent out, under "technical description" it says "film
type: standard 16mm." It says 16mm in the subject heading.
This is an open + shut case of misrepresentation. Get your money back, or report his ass.
-James
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:13 PM, miriam jayne martins sampaio <email suppressed> wrote:
hi
i am back. finished class. i agree but i am sure he will
repeat what he originally said in one of his emails that 'it was
written in the technical description'.
we will see. i am sure he will email me tomorrow as he lives in the Ukraine.
miriam
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:50:56 -0800
From: email suppressed
Subject: Re: Get a refund!!!! RE: [FRAMEWORKS] 8mm versus 16mm
To: email suppressed
eBay sellers should give the benefit of the doubt. If not, you can
use the Resolution Center . I am currently involved in something
similar with an item that had a misleading description with the seller
refusing a refund.
mo
zeno-okeanos.com
On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:13 PM, miriam jayne martins sampaio wrote:
hey everyone
i agree with everyone and thank you greatly for all your help! thanks
kristie!! i cannot get the my money back. he will not refund as he says
that it is stated in the technical information that its a 8mm camera. i
have no idea what to do because frankly it does say that but i
certainly did not understand it as such. since it does say 16mm movie
camera. i just send him an email telling him i would like a refund. we
will see if he will give it to me. i highly doubt it as i said.
i will be back in a while. gotta run to class.
thanks everyone
miriam
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:47:38 -0500
From: email suppressed
Subject: Re: Get a refund!!!! RE: [FRAMEWORKS] 8mm versus 16mm
To: email suppressed
i
agree with these guys, miriam. unless you REALLY want to delve
into a new discipline (double 8mm) and learn all about it, there's no
reason for you to buy something that was misrepresented in the ad.
get your refund and look out for a nice Bolex, Beaulieau,
B&H, even a Canon Scoopic if you should ever run across one, or any
of the other great and inexpensive cameras out there. but if you
just want one good, reliable 16mm camera, the Krasnogorsk is NOT it.
i would guess that the 8mm is no more reliable than the 16mm
model. i think your best bet is the refund, and you're perfectly
entitled to it according to ebay rules.
btw, kristie's offer to help you screen potential cameras is very generous, i'd take her up on that.
enjoy today...
Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
www.solislandmediaworks.com
www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Myron Ort wrote:
Go to the eBay site map, choose "Resolution Center" and follow the
prompts. If you cannot resolve the issue (obtain refund for
misrepresented item) with the seller through direct communication with
seller, then you open a case.
On Mar 3, 2009, at 1:11 AM, k. a.r. wrote:
Yep, After seeing the link, I agree with that guy a couple of posts down, that camera was misrepresented.
I buy and sell a lot on eBay, and if the sellers misrepresent something, it is their fault and you are not obligated to buy it.
Tell him to refund your money.
He wrote 16mm not regular 8.
His feedback rating is less than perfect, so you could
also tell him that you will give him negative feedback if he doesn't refund you your money.
Also tell him that you will file a complaint with paypal if he doesn't give you back your money.
There are 3 reasons paypal will give you back your money, and severely misrepresented
merchandise is one of them.
They will investigate it, and that takes time, but you will get your money back,
and it will freeze his account while he is being investigated. Many sellers do not want to deal
with this, and will refund your money.
Also eBay changed the feed back policy, so the seller cannot leave you negative feedback as revenge.
So don't worry about that....
If he doesn't want to refund your $, you could also contact eBay and fight it,but paypal is your best first step after him.
In the future, if you want, send me the link for any cameras you want to buy, off list, and I will help you
figure out if it is what you want. I help a lot of my friends with buying high $$$ items from eBay,
so I wouldn't mind helping another filmmaker. And don't worry, I am probably never going to buy
another film camera, so I wouldn't bid the item out from under you.
Sincerely,
Kristie
Kristie Reinders, B.F.A.
Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions
Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project
The Mission, San Francisco, CA
'A first class technician should work best under pressure.'
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