From: Flick Harrison (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Mar 31 2009 - 17:57:06 PDT
Jim, you've gotten my logic inverted. The way Fred's post was
written, I thought it more of a pointed reminder of personal trivia
re: frameworks discussions. Looking back, I think I was confusing him
with Fred Camper, who was also part of that discussion (about Obama
buttons, as it started).
I was simply saying "this response," i.e. the one I was quoting, was a
reminder of.... etc.
I thought his response was so detailed and particular that he was
being sarcastically specific... my mistake!
But I agree, young folks today have a healthy interest in many
different periods and eras - from the japanese holly-hobby / goth
microtrends to the neo-ramones fans, punkabilly hybrids, etc. It's a
sign they're picking and choosing among styles and signs, instead of
swallowing whatever the top-40 machine is handing down this week.
Unfortunately, the culture gods tend to look down on this whole thing
as "hipsterism," and paint it as a shallow neo-consumerist fashion-
trend, as if Vice Magazine were the only thing happening, instead of a
breakaway from centralized culture control, which I think it is,
however incidental the causes.
Since VCR's and mixtapes, now to youtube, file-sharing and plain old
googling, kids can choose from thousands of role models who represent
their goals and ideals, shallow or not. The fact that it's
accelerating technologically, and coinciding with desperate times in
the media economy, could lead us to an amazing renaissance and an
escape from the cult of the new.
Unfortunately those of us making a living from the culture industries
may be the main casualties.
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On 31-Mar-09, at 1:02 PM, Jim Carlile wrote:
> In a message dated 3/30/2009 6:42:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, email suppressed
> writes:
> Would it count as trivial to say that this response is a pointed
> reminder of our earlier debate about the value of trivia on an
> experimental-film discussion list?
>
>
>
> On 30-Mar-09, at 6:01 PM, Fred Davidson wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I remember at the same time, that old poster guy down on Columbus
>>> opened up a tiny gallery because he wanted to sell out all the
>>> 60's stuff he had in his warehouse...unbelievably, little of it
>>> sold, even at $5 and $10.
>>
>> I bought stuff from that old guy on Columbus. I bought six
>> posters. I think in the eighties. I think around 1984 or 1985. What
>> I picked out, from a distance, was all early stuff, vintage 1966
>> or 1967. ...
>
>
>
> No, it would count as being a jerk.
>
> This discussion was COMPLETELY germane to the topic that younger
> people in S.F. were hostile to almost anything 50s-70s back then.
> And S.F had been the center of the universe back then.
>
> Your attitude here is perfect. It's parallels exactly the kind of
> thing that people had to put up with in the 90s-- I'm sorry this
> kind of intolerance is still around. Fortunately, I've noticed that
> younger people these days have a lot of interest in this ephemera--
> which may not be, in fact.
>
>
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