From: Adam Hyman (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Aug 06 2009 - 10:40:12 PDT
You're missing one key element here Bjorn. The starting point.
That FOX shows the clip at all.
FOX consciously chooses to attack art and initiates those attacks, without
there being any public demand or outrage prior to it. Sure there are lots
of people who allow Fox to exist, but Fox creates paths & stories for them
to target their otherwise unresolved frustrations. And Fox does so by
deliberately creating stories to appeal to the worst in people.
Of course there has been evil & stupidity in the past, and there will in the
future.
But that doesn't absolve Fox of its wrong doing.
On 8/6/09 9:46 AM, "Lundgren" <email suppressed> wrote:
> It's just what the Fox audience would say to you.
>
> So basically you and the Fox audience is the same.
>
> It just _happens_ to be that you're more on the right side. (And the
> accidental side of this is very important!)
>
> But the absence of deeper analysis is just the same.
>
> Let's compare:
>
> Fox audience watches the concerned clip.
>
> Reaction: NEA IS THE ENEMY.
>
> You watch the concerned clip.
>
> Reaction: FOX IS THE ENEMY.
>
> Again: Did the world change 1996? Seriously?
>
> Go deeper! Don't be like the Fox audience.
>
> Bjorn
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Conrad" <email suppressed>
> To: <email suppressed>
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox News!]
>
>
>> Not worth further comment.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu 08/06/09 11:58 AM , Lundgren email suppressed sent:
>>> Stupidity has existed probably since man came along. (It's only fair they
>>> should have their enjoyment. ;)
>>>
>>> We see what we want to see.
>>> Fox will certainly influence some, and others will see through it and
>>> develop because of the discovery of their lies.
>>> But Fox didn't create it's audience, stupidity was already born and very
>>> much alive.
>>>
>>> That is: Fox is the chicken. But the eggs were already present.
>>>
>>> Fox isn't the hell itself. The root of the problem is alas elsewhere.
>>> It's
>>> in the society itself, and amongst the people. It is the system, and the
>>> individuals.
>>>
>>> And to pin-point Fox as THE ENEMY and the source of all evil is to make a
>>> very very poor analysis.
>>>
>>> Bjorn
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jerry Tartaglia" email suppressed>To:
>>> email suppressed>Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox
>>> News!]
>>>
>>>> Bjorn,
>>>>
>>>> I regret to inform you that the eggs which you
>>> had anticipated would hatch > into a utopian world, replete with
>>> tolerance and
>>> congenial outcomes, have > been smashed. Unfortunately, they have been
>>> used to create a > world-omelette of moving image media that are
>>> under the direct control of > several chefs who have no interest in
>>> healthy
>>> food preparation nor concern > for other peoples' dietary needs.
>>>>
>>>> Though I would favor the word
>>> "adversary" over the word "enemy," I do > not believe that the
>>> "mind-only
>>> school" of philosophy offers any practical > remedy for the suffering
>>> that is
>> inflicted on
>>> the world by the Barbarians > among us. If I am wrong, then, please show
>>> me
>>> the chickens!!>
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Tartaglia
>>>> http://www.jerry501.com>
>>>> "To hear with eyes belongs to love's fine
>>> wit."(Sonnet 23)>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Lundgren" email suppressed>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:16
>>> AM> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was:
>>> Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox > News!]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You need to learn to turn the other check.
>>> ;)>>
>>>>> Fox isn't really a problem. If everyone
>>> reacted the way I guess most >> Frameworkers do to that clip (okay I
>>> laughed
>>> - I don't care anymore, it's >> just fun) then there'd be no problem and
>>> there'd be no Fox.>>
>>>>> You see, I really think the eggS came
>>> first.>>
>>>>> Bjorn Lundgren
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tony Conrad" FALO.EDU>>> To: email suppressed>>>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:26
>>> AM>> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was:
>>> Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox >> News!]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wake up!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Gregg Biermann. Fox is the
>>> ENEMY; the ENEMY; the ENEMY.>>>
>>>>>> Not that your slushy liberalism is going
>>> to have any effect (except >>> stiffening the spines of some of us who
>>> see things more clearly), but >>> your remarks certainly represent the
>>> final disintegration of>>> "experimental" into complete
>>> meaninglessness. "Art" as well, it >>> appears.........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----t0ny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed 08/05/09 1:47 PM , Lundgren 50lundgr
>>> email suppressed sent:>>>> I think the clip is an experimental
>>> film in it's own sense.>>>>
>>>>>>> We should always have a wide
>>> definition of art, and we should try to>>>> interprete any work of art as
>>> a good
>>> work of art.>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore I see no other thing to do
>>> than to consider this a really >>>> great
>>>>>>> experimental satire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bj�¶rn
>>> Lundgren>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Scott Stark"
>>> BEAM.NET>To: RA
>>> email suppressed>Sent: >>>> Monday, August 03, 2009 9:15
>>> PM>>>> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods
>>> [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox>>>> News!]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 06:19 PM 8/2/2009 -0700,
>>> Chuck Kleinhans>>>> wrote:>
>>>>>>>>> They also seem to not grasp
>>> the fact that the>>>> film was made in 1975 and is
>>>>> not being funded by the NEA.>>>> >
>>>>>>>> Actually I think they were very
>>> carefully>>>> creating this confusion. If you >
>>> listen closely they do state that the >>>> funding
>>>>>>> went to the "theater" that
>>>> was planning to show the film, not the >>>> film
>>>>>>> itself, but that goes by very >
>>> quickly and they made sure to blur that>>>> distinction with the
>>> "shocking" > imagery and voice-over details.>>>> >
>>>>>>>> I think the Fox team is
>>> actually very smart and>>>> crafty, and has a lot of > fun
>>> making stuff up.>>>> >
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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