From: Tony Conrad (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Aug 06 2009 - 09:25:34 PDT
Not worth further comment.
On Thu 08/06/09 11:58 AM , Lundgren email suppressed sent:
> Stupidity has existed probably since man came along. (It's only fair they
> should have their enjoyment. ;)
>
> We see what we want to see.
> Fox will certainly influence some, and others will see through it and
> develop because of the discovery of their lies.
> But Fox didn't create it's audience, stupidity was already born and very
> much alive.
>
> That is: Fox is the chicken. But the eggs were already present.
>
> Fox isn't the hell itself. The root of the problem is alas elsewhere. It's
> in the society itself, and amongst the people. It is the system, and the
> individuals.
>
> And to pin-point Fox as THE ENEMY and the source of all evil is to make a
> very very poor analysis.
>
> Bjorn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Tartaglia" email suppressed>Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox
> News!]
>
> > Bjorn,
> >
> > I regret to inform you that the eggs which you
> had anticipated would hatch > into a utopian world, replete with tolerance and
> congenial outcomes, have > been smashed. Unfortunately, they have been
> used to create a > world-omelette of moving image media that are
> under the direct control of > several chefs who have no interest in healthy
> food preparation nor concern > for other peoples' dietary needs.
> >
> > Though I would favor the word
> "adversary" over the word "enemy," I do > not believe that the "mind-only
> school" of philosophy offers any practical > remedy for the suffering that is
inflicted on
> the world by the Barbarians > among us. If I am wrong, then, please show me
> the chickens!!>
> > Jerry
> >
> > Jerry Tartaglia
> > http://www.jerry501.com>
> > "To hear with eyes belongs to love's fine
> wit."(Sonnet 23)>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lundgren" email suppressed>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:16
> AM> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was:
> Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox > News!]
> >
> >
> >> You need to learn to turn the other check.
> ;)>>
> >> Fox isn't really a problem. If everyone
> reacted the way I guess most >> Frameworkers do to that clip (okay I laughed
> - I don't care anymore, it's >> just fun) then there'd be no problem and
> there'd be no Fox.>>
> >> You see, I really think the eggS came
> first.>>
> >> Bjorn Lundgren
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tony Conrad" FALO.EDU>>> To: email suppressed>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:26
> AM>> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was:
> Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox >> News!]
> >>
> >>
> >>> Wake up!
> >>>
> >>> I agree with Gregg Biermann. Fox is the
> ENEMY; the ENEMY; the ENEMY.>>>
> >>> Not that your slushy liberalism is going
> to have any effect (except >>> stiffening the spines of some of us who
> see things more clearly), but >>> your remarks certainly represent the
> final disintegration of>>> "experimental" into complete
> meaninglessness. "Art" as well, it >>> appears.........
> >>>
> >>> -----t0ny
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed 08/05/09 1:47 PM , Lundgren 50lundgr
> email suppressed sent:>>>> I think the clip is an experimental
> film in it's own sense.>>>>
> >>>> We should always have a wide
> definition of art, and we should try to>>>> interprete any work of art as a good
> work of art.>>>>
> >>>> Therefore I see no other thing to do
> than to consider this a really >>>> great
> >>>> experimental satire.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bj�¶rn
> Lundgren>>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Scott Stark"
> BEAM.NET>To: RA
> email suppressed>Sent: >>>> Monday, August 03, 2009 9:15
> PM>>>> Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods
> [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox>>>> News!]
> >>>>
> >>>> > At 06:19 PM 8/2/2009 -0700,
> Chuck Kleinhans>>>> wrote:>
> >>>> >>They also seem to not grasp
> the fact that the>>>> film was made in 1975 and is
> >>not being funded by the NEA.>>>> >
> >>>> > Actually I think they were very
> carefully>>>> creating this confusion. If you >
> listen closely they do state that the >>>> funding
> >>>> went to the "theater" that
> > was planning to show the film, not the >>>> film
> >>>> itself, but that goes by very >
> quickly and they made sure to blur that>>>> distinction with the
> "shocking" > imagery and voice-over details.>>>> >
> >>>> > I think the Fox team is
> actually very smart and>>>> crafty, and has a lot of > fun
> making stuff up.>>>> >
> >>>> > Scott
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
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