From: Lundgren (email suppressed)
Date: Thu Aug 06 2009 - 09:30:08 PDT
I even used a smileye to make sure nothing was lost in communication there. I actually wanted to send it as it was.
Because it proofs many of my points:
1) Fox is a symptom of a problem. Fox is not the cause of itself, and anything caused by Fox is caused by fox "accidentally" in the sense that Fox is just an empty place holder for any of many of these types of symptoms.
2) Stupidity exists in many forms and on many levels. Misreadings are done everywhere. Games with words and pictures can be anything. The important thing is to be able to see through all that, and... sort of... ask "what is"?
Bjorn
----- Original Message -----
From: gregg biermann
To: email suppressed
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox News!]
This isn't a time for Christian charity towards Fox. In the U.S. the arts are *always* a target -- esp. during an economic decline. For example I've just been appraised by the Arts Council in State of New Jersey that all individual artists grants have been suspended indefinitely. The SF Cinematheque is one of the key institutions that supports what we all do and I'd hate to see it lose $25,000 in federal grant money because of this kind of manipulation. That could be a death blow for an arts organization like Cinematheque. I would hope that this is as obvious to us as it is to Fox: power does not depend on repression but on creating consent by manipulating discourses and in the end controlling what people can know.
Lundgren wrote:
You need to learn to turn the other check. ;)
Fox isn't really a problem. If everyone reacted the way I guess most Frameworkers do to that clip (okay I laughed - I don't care anymore, it's just fun) then there'd be no problem and there'd be no Fox.
You see, I really think the eggS came first.
Bjorn Lundgren
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Conrad" <email suppressed>
To: <email suppressed>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox News!]
Wake up!
I agree with Gregg Biermann. Fox is the ENEMY; the ENEMY; the ENEMY.
Not that your slushy liberalism is going to have any effect (except stiffening the spines of some of us who see things more clearly), but your remarks certainly represent the final disintegration of
"experimental" into complete meaninglessness. "Art" as well, it appears.........
-----t0ny
On Wed 08/05/09 1:47 PM , Lundgren email suppressed sent:
I think the clip is an experimental film in it's own sense.
We should always have a wide definition of art, and we should try to
interprete any work of art as a good work of art.
Therefore I see no other thing to do than to consider this a really great
experimental satire.
Björn Lundgren
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Stark" BEAM.NET>To: email suppressed>Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Murdoch's Falsehoods [Was: Kuchar/McDowell screen on Fox
News!]
> At 06:19 PM 8/2/2009 -0700, Chuck Kleinhans
wrote:>
>>They also seem to not grasp the fact that the
film was made in 1975 and is >>not being funded by the NEA.
>
> Actually I think they were very carefully
creating this confusion. If you > listen closely they do state that the funding
went to the "theater" that > was planning to show the film, not the film
itself, but that goes by very > quickly and they made sure to blur that
distinction with the "shocking" > imagery and voice-over details.
>
> I think the Fox team is actually very smart and
crafty, and has a lot of > fun making stuff up.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
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