From: field (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Mar 11 2006 - 06:29:20 PST
the big difference
fishing is not about communication
its not about relating to others or transporting a idea/message/feeling...
but obviously you can do films just for himself and leave them in a cabinet
that's the artist right
patrick huber
>--- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> So you would argue that there's no difference between being an
>> experimental filmmaker and being a recreational fisherman, for
>> example?
>>
>> -->jarrod whaley.
>
>Wow, that's a giant leap in logic. Both are hobbies, yes, but one is
>fishing and one is filmmaking. I would, however, argue that
>experimental filmmaking can be a very pleasuarble activity, and like
>fishing, contains stretches of inactivity, anticipation, frustration,
>and success.
>
>Every hobby (as well as every vocation) is unique. I know the reasons
>I make film are different than the reasons I paint, make music, play
>soccer, go hiking, read travel books, or cook desserts. What they have
>in common is that I don't earn any income from them, I do them because
>I enjoy them. The energy I put into each activity and the possible
>rewards are drastically different.
>
>-Jason Halprin
>
>--- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>
>> So you would argue that there's no difference between being an
>> experimental filmmaker and being a recreational fisherman, for
>> example?
>>
>> -->jarrod whaley.
>> filmmaker. videographer.
>> web designer. educator.
>> www.oakstreetfilms.com
>> www.shakingray.com
>> design.oakstreetfilms.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Halprin wrote:
>> > >From the Oxford American Dictionary:
>> >
>> > hobby - an occupation that a person does for pleasure, not as his
>> main
>> > business
>> >
>> > I never insuated that dedicating your life and energy to something
>> that
>> > is not financially rewarding does cannot have serious rewards. I
>> just
>> > mean that teaching, currating, working in a post house, working in
>> the
>> > film/television industry, and other jobs that many on this list do
>> are
>> > not making a living from your filmmaking. They are working a job,
>> your
>> > filmmaking is supported by this other job.
>> >
>> > I personally find it insulting that the extremely hard work that
>> some
>> > people have put in to create venues and organizations that promote
>> A/G
>> > work is so easily dismissed as self-serving.
>> >
>> > -Jason Halprin
>> >
>> > --- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Jason Halprin wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> One of the basic facts that exists for many A/G film and video
>> >>>
>> >> makers
>> >>
>> >>> (in the US and elsewhere, though not everywhere) is that they
>> will
>> >>> never recoup the costs that are associated with their work, let
>> >>>
>> >> alone
>> >>
>> >>> turn it into a full-time profession. As such it is more
>> accuratley
>> >>> described as a hobby, and hobbies are money-losing ventures.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Baloney. One might not accumulate riches on par with the Sultan of
>>
>> >> Brunei, but many "underground" or "avant-garde" filmmakers can and
>> do
>> >>
>> >> scratch out a meager existence. It just takes a little creativity,
>> >> and
>> >> the willingness to realize that good work doesn't have to cost a
>> >> penny,
>> >> if necessary, to make.
>> >>
>> >> I find this "hobby" business of yours very insulting. Dedicating
>> >> one's
>> >> life and energy to an often financially unrewarding (but often
>> >> financially "livable") form of creativity is not on the same level
>> of
>> >>
>> >> engagement and/or social worth as collecting Star Wars action
>> figures
>> >> or
>> >> building model planes. Be careful with that glue, it's dangerous
>> >> stuff,
>> >> you know.
>> >>
>> >>> If you are against paying fees, look for free festivals. Or
>> >>>
>> >> volunteer
>> >>
>> >>> for one so that your labor may bring down the fees for that
>> >>>
>> >> festival.
>> >>
>> >>> Write the grant proposals, talk to donors, make press releases,
> > >>>
>> >> pass
>> >>
>> >>> out flyers, get on the radio, do whatever it takes. It is
>> already
>> >>> difficult for most of us the share our work with people we don't
>> >>> personally know, so if festivals are not a necessity, they are a
>> >>>
>> >> luxury
>> >>
>> >>> I believe is worth paying for.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> If you think it's worth paying for someone to potentially throw
>> your
>> >> work away and never tell you, then go ahead. Wipe your ass with
>> $100
>> >> bills, for all I care. I just happen to find Charmin to be much
>> more
>> >> cost efficient, not to mention less irritating to my sensitive
>> bits.
>> >>
>> >> -->jarrod whaley.
>> >> filmmaker. videographer.
>> >> web designer. educator.
>> >> www.oakstreetfilms.com
>> >> www.shakingray.com
>> >> design.oakstreetfilms.com
>> >>
>> >>
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