From: Cari Machet (email suppressed)
Date: Sat Mar 11 2006 - 07:58:32 PST
- untrue -
fishing can embody all of these things
and some films don't embody these attributes
it is like meditation
one can be in meditation within ANY activity
(yes - not just sitting in a pose 'emptying' ur brain crap)
i recently saw a great film (documentary) about fishing in NYC
on sundance - it was beautiful + genuine
open up!
c
On 3/11/06, field <email suppressed> wrote:
> the big difference
>
>
> fishing is not about communication
>
> its not about relating to others or transporting a idea/message/feeling...
>
>
>
> but obviously you can do films just for himself and leave them in a cabinet
>
> that's the artist right
>
>
> patrick huber
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>
>
>
> >--- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
> >
> >> So you would argue that there's no difference between being an
> >> experimental filmmaker and being a recreational fisherman, for
> >> example?
> >>
> >> -->jarrod whaley.
> >
> >Wow, that's a giant leap in logic. Both are hobbies, yes, but one is
> >fishing and one is filmmaking. I would, however, argue that
> >experimental filmmaking can be a very pleasuarble activity, and like
> >fishing, contains stretches of inactivity, anticipation, frustration,
> >and success.
> >
> >Every hobby (as well as every vocation) is unique. I know the reasons
> >I make film are different than the reasons I paint, make music, play
> >soccer, go hiking, read travel books, or cook desserts. What they have
> >in common is that I don't earn any income from them, I do them because
> >I enjoy them. The energy I put into each activity and the possible
> >rewards are drastically different.
> >
> >-Jason Halprin
> >
> >--- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
> >
> >> So you would argue that there's no difference between being an
> >> experimental filmmaker and being a recreational fisherman, for
> >> example?
> >>
> >> -->jarrod whaley.
> >> filmmaker. videographer.
> >> web designer. educator.
> >> www.oakstreetfilms.com
> >> www.shakingray.com
> >> design.oakstreetfilms.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jason Halprin wrote:
> >> > >From the Oxford American Dictionary:
> >> >
> >> > hobby - an occupation that a person does for pleasure, not as his
> >> main
> >> > business
> >> >
> >> > I never insuated that dedicating your life and energy to something
> >> that
> >> > is not financially rewarding does cannot have serious rewards. I
> >> just
> >> > mean that teaching, currating, working in a post house, working in
> >> the
> >> > film/television industry, and other jobs that many on this list do
> >> are
> >> > not making a living from your filmmaking. They are working a job,
> >> your
> >> > filmmaking is supported by this other job.
> >> >
> >> > I personally find it insulting that the extremely hard work that
> >> some
> >> > people have put in to create venues and organizations that promote
> >> A/G
> >> > work is so easily dismissed as self-serving.
> >> >
> >> > -Jason Halprin
> >> >
> >> > --- "jarrod whaley." <email suppressed> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Jason Halprin wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> One of the basic facts that exists for many A/G film and video
> >> >>>
> >> >> makers
> >> >>
> >> >>> (in the US and elsewhere, though not everywhere) is that they
> >> will
> >> >>> never recoup the costs that are associated with their work, let
> >> >>>
> >> >> alone
> >> >>
> >> >>> turn it into a full-time profession. As such it is more
> >> accuratley
> >> >>> described as a hobby, and hobbies are money-losing ventures.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> Baloney. One might not accumulate riches on par with the Sultan of
> >>
> >> >> Brunei, but many "underground" or "avant-garde" filmmakers can and
> >> do
> >> >>
> >> >> scratch out a meager existence. It just takes a little creativity,
> >> >> and
> >> >> the willingness to realize that good work doesn't have to cost a
> >> >> penny,
> >> >> if necessary, to make.
> >> >>
> >> >> I find this "hobby" business of yours very insulting. Dedicating
> >> >> one's
> >> >> life and energy to an often financially unrewarding (but often
> >> >> financially "livable") form of creativity is not on the same level
> >> of
> >> >>
> >> >> engagement and/or social worth as collecting Star Wars action
> >> figures
> >> >> or
> >> >> building model planes. Be careful with that glue, it's dangerous
> >> >> stuff,
> >> >> you know.
> >> >>
> >> >>> If you are against paying fees, look for free festivals. Or
> >> >>>
> >> >> volunteer
> >> >>
> >> >>> for one so that your labor may bring down the fees for that
> >> >>>
> >> >> festival.
> >> >>
> >> >>> Write the grant proposals, talk to donors, make press releases,
> > > >>>
> >> >> pass
> >> >>
> >> >>> out flyers, get on the radio, do whatever it takes. It is
> >> already
> >> >>> difficult for most of us the share our work with people we don't
> >> >>> personally know, so if festivals are not a necessity, they are a
> >> >>>
> >> >> luxury
> >> >>
> >> >>> I believe is worth paying for.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> If you think it's worth paying for someone to potentially throw
> >> your
> >> >> work away and never tell you, then go ahead. Wipe your ass with
> >> $100
> >> >> bills, for all I care. I just happen to find Charmin to be much
> >> more
> >> >> cost efficient, not to mention less irritating to my sensitive
> >> bits.
> >> >>
> >> >> -->jarrod whaley.
> >> >> filmmaker. videographer.
> >> >> web designer. educator.
> >> >> www.oakstreetfilms.com
> >> >> www.shakingray.com
> >> >> design.oakstreetfilms.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
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