From: Freya (email suppressed)
Date: Sun Jan 11 2009 - 16:10:05 PST
I think you misunderstand! Camera speed and projection speed are identical. :)
Thats why the movement isn't sped up or slowed down.
In the case of angelic conversation, it was sort of optically printed to 35mm, so for each frame of S8 there would be 25 identical frames on the 35mm print. As a result it would play at normal speed in 35mm at 24fps.
love
Freya
--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez <email suppressed> wrote:
> From: Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez <email suppressed>
> Subject: Re: angelic conversations
> To: email suppressed
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:49 PM
> ahhh... exquisite!
>
> thank you for the links and info, peter.
>
> my technical speculations here have more to do with
> projection speed
> than camera speed, after watching closely and trying to do
> the
> mathematics in my head - any insights into how he rigged
> the
> projectors for creating this effect?
>
>
> enjoy today...
>
> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>
> www.solislandmediaworks.com
> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Freya wrote:
>
> > I was under the impression it was only 1fps.
> > Certainly the garden of luxor shot at 4fps looks much
> smoother in
> > that way than some of the footage in Angelic
> conversation.
> >
> > love
> >
> > Freya
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Peter Snowdon
> <email suppressed> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Peter Snowdon <email suppressed>
> >> Subject: angelic conversations
> >> To: email suppressed
> >> Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:08 PM
> >> Dinorah de JesC:s Rodriguez wrote:
> >>> but hey, i'd really love to argue about
> whether
> >> Jarman shot at 3 or 6 fps. any ideas anyone?
> i'm afraid
> >> i don't have the film in front of me, nor
> would it be
> >> easy to make an educated guess as far as this
> aspect of the
> >> work by viewing a youtube version. can anyone here
> post a
> >> link to Angelic Conversations?
> >>>
> >> http://jclarkmedia.com/jarman/jarman04.html
> >>
> >> In a film incorporating so many different forms of
> paradox,
> >> there is also a major financial one. Jarman knew
> that the
> >> lower the budget, the greater the personal
> freedom. So after
> >> three (Jarman would chuckle at the term)
> >> "mainstream" films done in 35mm b and
> with
> >> Caravaggio long on hold b Jarman went for his
> trusty
> >> Super-8 Nizo camera, that he got in the '70s.
> He'd
> >> often used it to make short experimental films,
> including
> >> some in a type of stop-motion photography where he
> shot only
> >> three or six frames per second, and then projected
> the film
> >> at a comparably "unnatural" speed. The
> effect
> >> resembles a dreamlike, or nightmarish, magic
> lantern show.
> >> And so was The Angelic Conversation's unique
> style born.
> >> Jarman joked that he did this to make the
> expensive film
> >> cartridges last longer b each was good for only
> two and a
> >> half minutes b but he clearly had more artistic
> visions in
> >> mind too (further proof that you have to read
> Jarman's
> >> comments on his own work with more than a few
> grains salt).
> >>
> >> the youtube links to the 1985 live soundtrack
> performance
> >> in turin are not a bad place to start perhaps:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA3ccnrdVOo
> >>
> >> since jarman claimed that one of the effects was
> to
> >> synchronise the frame changes with the
> viewer's
> >> heartbeat, i would hope it was 3fps maximum, or
> even less:)
> >> peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
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