From: Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez (email suppressed)
Date: Mon Feb 23 2009 - 12:05:40 PST
rick, i have made several films using the described method of 16mm
film run through a double-8 camera, spliced into regular 16mm
footage, and projected as 16mm. so it IS possible, it is just not
the standard way to do things. i remember a 16mm film entitled
"Drawn and Quartered" by Lynne Sachs made in the early 1980s that was
entirely constructed using this technique. i'm sure others will
confirm this fact.
i am attaching a link to one of my films that uses this type of
footage so you can see what it looks like if interested. the film is
a collage and the footage is interspersed throughout, alongside other
16mm footage (never counted sprocket holes, just got lucky i guess).
you have to watch the film a bit before you can see the first samples
of this effect. there are other weird effects in this film, as most
of the film was made using damaged or "obsolete" cameras.
l'anatomie du desir
enjoy today...
Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
www.solislandmediaworks.com
www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Dicky wrote:
> Hi Miriam,
> There's a really high amount of misinformation on this thread. I
> have made many films with Regular 8, and am working on one right
> now in fact, so let me try and correct some of these mistakes.
>
> Regular 8 cameras do not take 16 mm film per se; you cannot just go
> out and buy 16 mm film and put it in the camera. Regular 8 film is
> the same size as 16 mm film, and the sprocket holes are also the
> same size, except there are twice as many sprocket holes and they
> run along both sides of the film. Also, you cannot just splice it
> in with 16 mm film necessarily... because there are twice as many
> sprocket holes, you have to be careful about this. You have to
> count and make sure that there are an even number of sprocket holes
> in a strip if you plan on putting more 16 mm film after it. If
> there are an odd number of holes, the film will not catch in the
> claw, get torn up and potentially damage your projector; I know
> from experience!
>
> The film is usually sold in 25 foot canisters, although there is
> stock from Eastern Europe (I think the Czech Republic) called
> Fomopan that comes in 33 foot rolls. It's not the easiest film to
> find, but there are plenty of places that have it. Two that I know
> of off hand because they are the places I buy my film from are
> Action Camera in San Francisco and Yale Film and Video in Los Angeles.
>
> And if you'd like to just see what the film looks like if you leave
> it unslit, I have some stills from single and multi-projector works
> I've done with regular 8 film here:
> http://flickr.com/photos/thedicky/sets/72157608341201326/
> The only one that is in color, for instance, is a single projection
> of un-slit regular 8.
>
> Best,
> Rick Bahto
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
> <email suppressed> wrote:
> i agree that you might want to hold on to this rare find. the
> effect produced by this double-8 camera when projected in 16mm is
> very cool. and yes, you can project it and cut the footage in with
> other regular 16mm footage. i had a bolex like this years ago and
> had to sell it (basically had kids to feed) and to this day, it is
> the one piece of equipment that i have most regretted parting
> with. this just might be a blessing in disguise, Miriam.
>
> enjoy today...
>
> Dinorah de Jesús Rodríguez
> Film/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
>
> www.solislandmediaworks.com
> www.artcinematic.blogspot.com
> http://cinesthesia.blip.tv
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza wrote:
>
>> Ohh, I guess that's a much better explanation from Mark!!
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> Jorge L.
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:19:59 -0800
>> From: email suppressed
>> Subject: Re: HELP
>> To: email suppressed
>>
>> Miriam,
>>
>> You indeed purchased a Regular 8 (R8) camera. As you probably now
>> realize, it takes 16mm film with sprocket holes specific for use
>> in 8mm cameras. You shoot the roll of 25ft film which exposes half
>> the frame, turn the film over and shoot another 25ft. After
>> processing the film is split and spliced together.
>>
>> Although I haven't tried this, I'm told you can still project this
>> film with a standard 16mm projector if you don't have it split
>> after processing. You would basically see two frames
>> simultaneously on the screen which may be of interest to you as a
>> technique. Keep in mind that one frame would be right side up,
>> while the other would be upside down due to the way the film goes
>> through the camera. If you want both frames right side up you
>> would have to shoot the last 25ft with the camera upside down.
>>
>> If you didn't pay much for the camera and it works you might want
>> to keep it or this technique.
>>
>> Mark
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: miriam jayne martins sampaio [mailto:email suppressed]
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:00 AM
>> To: email suppressed
>> Subject: HELP
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I kinda of screwed up when i bought this camera, Quarz 2x8S-1M
>> FILM MOVIE CAMERA.
>>
>> Quarz 2x8S-1M FILM MOVIE CAMERA.
>> The camera and it's zoom lens was manufactured at KRASNOGORSK
>> factory in Moscow, USSR.
>>
>> Technical data
>> Camera Type: movie film, film type: standard 16mm film, frame
>> size: 4x5.5mm, 12, 18, 24, 36 frames/sec preset, internal light
>> meter, single frame shooting, spring drive motor, intershangeable
>> lenses.
>>
>> Lens: Jupiter-24M 1.9/12.5
>>
>> Let me say first that i know nothing about 16mm camera's and was
>> super excited to find this one which seemed quite compact and a
>> good reasonable price. i purchased it from from ebay. before
>> purchasing it did show it to a friend who knows about camera's and
>> he too assumed it was 16mm but its NOT!! it takes 16mm but its
>> actually an 8mm?!?! goddess help me!
>> does anyone know if it takes any kind of 16mm film??
>>
>> i feel like an idiot but....
>> i have not received it and i did speak with the seller about this
>> but....
>> the ad was a bit misleading but ultimately it was my fault. so
>> know i have a camera that i did not want??
>>
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>>
>>
>>
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