From: miriam jayne martins sampaio (email suppressed)
Date: Tue Mar 03 2009 - 17:35:19 PST
i do love frameworks! it has been great getting all this support! really great! i am never buying anything again until i talk to you guys!miriam
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:23:33 -0500
From: email suppressed
Subject: Re: Get a refund!!!! RE: [FRAMEWORKS] 8mm versus 16mm
To: email suppressed
don't you love Frameworks?Miriam, you are in the clear. get your money from this guy and save up for the Beaulieu!
enjoy today...
Dinorah de Jesús RodríguezFilm/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
www.solislandmediaworks.comwww.artcinematic.blogspot.comhttp://cinesthesia.blip.tv
On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:09 PM, miriam jayne martins sampaio wrote:you are right!?! you see i was sure i was not that naive?!?!miriam
Quartz Quarz 2x8S1M USSR 16mm film movie camera, extras
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:54:15 -0500
From: email suppressed
Subject: Re: Get a refund!!!! RE: [FRAMEWORKS] 8mm versus 16mm
To: email suppressed
In that link you sent out, under "technical description" it says "film type: standard 16mm." It says 16mm in the subject heading.
This is an open + shut case of misrepresentation. Get your money back, or report his ass.
-James
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:13 PM, miriam jayne martins sampaio <email suppressed> wrote:
hi
i am back. finished class. i agree but i am sure he will repeat what he originally said in one of his emails that 'it was written in the technical description'.
we will see. i am sure he will email me tomorrow as he lives in the Ukraine.
miriam
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:50:56 -0800
From: email suppressed
Subject: Re: Get a refund!!!! RE: [FRAMEWORKS] 8mm versus 16mm
To: email suppressed
eBay sellers should give the benefit of the doubt. If not, you can use the Resolution Center . I am currently involved in something similar with an item that had a misleading description with the seller refusing a refund.
mo
zeno-okeanos.com
On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:13 PM, miriam jayne martins sampaio wrote:
hey everyone
i agree with everyone and thank you greatly for all your help! thanks kristie!! i cannot get the my money back. he will not refund as he says that it is stated in the technical information that its a 8mm camera. i have no idea what to do because frankly it does say that but i certainly did not understand it as such. since it does say 16mm movie camera. i just send him an email telling him i would like a refund. we will see if he will give it to me. i highly doubt it as i said.
i will be back in a while. gotta run to class.
thanks everyone
miriam
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:47:38 -0500
From: email suppressed
Subject: Re: Get a refund!!!! RE: [FRAMEWORKS] 8mm versus 16mm
To: email suppressed
i agree with these guys, miriam. unless you REALLY want to delve into a new discipline (double 8mm) and learn all about it, there's no reason for you to buy something that was misrepresented in the ad. get your refund and look out for a nice Bolex, Beaulieau, B&H, even a Canon Scoopic if you should ever run across one, or any of the other great and inexpensive cameras out there. but if you just want one good, reliable 16mm camera, the Krasnogorsk is NOT it. i would guess that the 8mm is no more reliable than the 16mm model. i think your best bet is the refund, and you're perfectly entitled to it according to ebay rules.
btw, kristie's offer to help you screen potential cameras is very generous, i'd take her up on that.
enjoy today...
Dinorah de Jesús RodríguezFilm/Video Artist and Freelance Writer
www.solislandmediaworks.comwww.artcinematic.blogspot.comhttp://cinesthesia.blip.tv
On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Myron Ort wrote:
Go to the eBay site map, choose "Resolution Center" and follow the prompts. If you cannot resolve the issue (obtain refund for misrepresented item) with the seller through direct communication with seller, then you open a case.
On Mar 3, 2009, at 1:11 AM, k. a.r. wrote:
Yep, After seeing the link, I agree with that guy a couple of posts down, that camera was misrepresented.
I buy and sell a lot on eBay, and if the sellers misrepresent something, it is their fault and you are not obligated to buy it.
Tell him to refund your money.
He wrote 16mm not regular 8.
His feedback rating is less than perfect, so you could
also tell him that you will give him negative feedback if he doesn't refund you your money.
Also tell him that you will file a complaint with paypal if he doesn't give you back your money.
There are 3 reasons paypal will give you back your money, and severely misrepresented
merchandise is one of them.
They will investigate it, and that takes time, but you will get your money back,
and it will freeze his account while he is being investigated. Many sellers do not want to deal
with this, and will refund your money.
Also eBay changed the feed back policy, so the seller cannot leave you negative feedback as revenge.
So don't worry about that....
If he doesn't want to refund your $, you could also contact eBay and fight it,but paypal is your best first step after him.
In the future, if you want, send me the link for any cameras you want to buy, off list, and I will help you
figure out if it is what you want. I help a lot of my friends with buying high $$$ items from eBay,
so I wouldn't mind helping another filmmaker. And don't worry, I am probably never going to buy
another film camera, so I wouldn't bid the item out from under you.
Sincerely,
Kristie
Kristie Reinders, B.F.A.
Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions
Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project
The Mission, San Francisco, CA
'A first class technician should work best under pressure.'
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